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Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

  • Absolutely not -- part of her family denies it.

    Votes: 6 7.7%

  • Absolutely -- part of her family says it's true.

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • How the hell would I know?

    Votes: 21 26.9%

  • I don't see why this is so unbelievable.

    Votes: 6 7.7%

  • Who cares?

    Votes: 53 67.9%

  • No, seriously, this is the least important issue in the history of anything ever.

    Votes: 26 33.3%
  • Total voters
    78
Jack Hays said:
She could have laid the entire matter to rest. By not doing that she gives the impression she doubts her own claim.
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What would it have solved though? I say this because unless you are a total blueblood, or your family just immigrated, who doesn't have at least some Native American blood in them?
 
Jack Hays said:
Most Americans do not, as a matter of fact.
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Idk, I know I do on both sides of my family. I would think a lot of people do. The problem is that generations ago, people were so ashamed of it they would not claim it. Hell just 40 years ago a lot of times Native Americans would claim to be of Hispanic decent if they were living in a predominately white community.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Idk, I know I do on both sides of my family. I would think a lot of people do. The problem is that generations ago, people were so ashamed of it they would not claim it. Hell just 40 years ago a lot of times Native Americans would claim to be of Hispanic decent if they were living in a predominately white community.
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Many families have lore of a Native American ancestor. Those stories are usually false. As posted earlier in this thread, I tested myself specifically to find out about my family's lore. It turned out to be false.

In any case, your point should have made Warren more rather than less inclined to do the test.
 
This entire thing is partisan idiocy at its finest. I've seen photos of a blonde Warren, with demands of "Does This Woman Look Native American to You???" splashed all over certain websites, and even worse stupidity.

My children's paternal great-grandmother was 100% Cherokee. Their father was 1/4 Cherokee, and my children are 1/8 Cherokee. One is blonde and green-eyed, like me, the other had (he's now bald as a cue ball) light brown hair and hazel eyes. Neither of them looked Native American... and yet, that they have Native American blood and Native American ancestry is irrefutable.

I haven't read this thread, but any of you who are in the "she must be lying, burn the witch!" corner should hang your heads and stand in the corner, forced to listen to organ grinder music for 2 solid hours. Shame on you.
 
Jack Hays said:
She made the claim and profited from it. It's an integrity issue. She could have put this to bed quickly via DNA but did not.
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It could be Jack, but to whom? Those who like her and will vote for her don't care one iota. Most only care about the D in behind her name. Those who are against her will raise the roof on this subject would find something else to hollar about, they also only care about the D behind her name. Those who don't know her or haven't made up their mind about her if she does run for higher office, really do not care, are indifferent to it.

As of today, Warren is a senator from Mass. Mass has already made up their minds about the issue. What you or I think is irrelevant, we can vote her out. We can rant and rave, but what difference does that make? Only if she runs for higher office will what others think of her count, then they can make up their minds. For the time being the people of MASS has spoken and they have the last word.
 
DiAnna said:
This entire thing is partisan idiocy at its finest. I've seen photos of a blonde Warren, with demands of "Does This Woman Look Native American to You???" splashed all over certain websites, and even worse stupidity.

My children's paternal great-grandmother was 100% Cherokee. Their father was 1/4 Cherokee, and my children are 1/8 Cherokee. One is blonde and green-eyed, like me, the other had (he's now bald as a cue ball) light brown hair and hazel eyes. Neither of them looked Native American... and yet, that they have Native American blood and Native American ancestry is irrefutable.

I haven't read this thread, but any of you who are in the "she must be lying, burn the witch!" corner should hang your heads and stand in the corner, forced to listen to organ grinder music for 2 solid hours. Shame on you.
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Sorry, but if you haven't read the thread your comment lacks credibility. Warren gained career advantage from her Native American claim. She could easily lay this matter to rest via DNA testing (as I did in my own family) but has declined to do so.
 
polgara said:
:agree: Off topic, but I just received a Fed Ex package a few minutes ago! I didn't know they delivered on Sunday night! :wow: This was a gift for my son in Texas, so as soon as I get it wrapped, it will get put in the box with the rest of the stuff for my family there! I didn't expect it until tomorrow, so now I can get it to the USPO early tomorrow morning! :thumbs: Wow!
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You think that is strange, my daughter got a package today delivered by the USPS. UPS and Sunday delivery, much like FEDEX if you pay for it you get it. USPS, now that is the shocker.
 
DiAnna said:
This entire thing is partisan idiocy at its finest. I've seen photos of a blonde Warren, with demands of "Does This Woman Look Native American to You???" splashed all over certain websites, and even worse stupidity.

My children's paternal great-grandmother was 100% Cherokee. Their father was 1/4 Cherokee, and my children are 1/8 Cherokee. One is blonde and green-eyed, like me, the other had (he's now bald as a cue ball) light brown hair and hazel eyes. Neither of them looked Native American... and yet, that they have Native American blood and Native American ancestry is irrefutable.

I haven't read this thread, but any of you who are in the "she must be lying, burn the witch!" corner should hang your heads and stand in the corner, forced to listen to organ grinder music for 2 solid hours. Shame on you.
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I would sentence them to six hours of mariachi music myself, but sure, organ grinder music works too.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but if you haven't read the thread your comment lacks credibility. Warren gained career advantage from her Native American claim. She could easily lay this matter to rest via DNA testing (as I did in my own family) but has declined to do so.
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No, actually the entire thread only elucidated the complete lack of evidence of her detractor's accusations. Which was entirely predictable, of course.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but if you haven't read the thread your comment lacks credibility. Warren gained career advantage from her Native American claim. She could easily lay this matter to rest via DNA testing (as I did in my own family) but has declined to do so.
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So you believe that any politician who claims certain ethnicities in his/her heritage should have DNA made public, despite the intense violation of privacy inherent in releasing one's genetic material to the world? Ludicrous. As for your claim that she received a "career advantage", that too is ludicrous.

There are some things the voters are not entitled to know about their own representatives, and one of those things is a complete DNA Profile revealing all genetic propensities. Certainly people whom she does not represent have no right to know such a thing, nor frankly do they have any right to ask beyond partisan politicking.

It's ridiculous. My children have never had a "career advantage" because of their Native American blood. That you believe Warren did, when in fact the only thing resulting from that revelation was a wall-to-wall smear job, is beyond the realm of credulity.

Speaking of credibility, it would behoove you not to lamely insult mine when your own is sorely lacking.
 
DiAnna said:
So you believe that any politician who claims certain ethnicities in his/her heritage should have DNA made public, despite the intense violation of privacy inherent in releasing one's genetic material to the world? Ludicrous. As for your claim that she received a "career advantage", that too is ludicrous.

There are some things the voters are not entitled to know about their own representatives, and one of those things is a complete DNA Profile revealing all genetic propensities. Certainly people whom she does not represent have no right to know such a thing, nor frankly do they have any right to ask beyond partisan politicking.

It's ridiculous. My children have never had a "career advantage" because of their Native American blood. That you believe Warren did, when in fact the only thing resulting from that revelation was a wall-to-wall smear job, is beyond the realm of credulity.

Speaking of credibility, it would behoove you not to lamely insult mine when your own is sorely lacking.
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Warren claimed Native American descent in order to gain advantage in both educational and professional contexts. She advanced the claim, no one else. She has since then become a public figure, and her career became a legitimate topic of inquiry. When her ethnic claim was questioned she offered the sort of vague family lore story that raised more questions. DNA testing would put the matter to rest. No one cares about her complete DNA profile; a determination of ethnic descent is a great deal simpler than that.
 
Perotista said:
You think that is strange, my daughter got a package today delivered by the USPS. UPS and Sunday delivery, much like FEDEX if you pay for it you get it. USPS, now that is the shocker.
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I ordered his gift late yesterday, Pero. I asked for two day delivery which is why I didn't expect it until tomorrow - I had no idea it would arrive tonight! Maybe they were going to be in my area or something? Whatever, I'm very pleased, because now I have all the gifts that were going in this batch - I have already sent the toys directly from Toys R US to them earlier this week, so now it's all done. I have cookie trays to go to the bank, post office and library tomorrow, and that winds it up for me. Thankfully the snowy weather is holding off! I won't even have to wait in line at the Post office to deliver the cookie tray - they come out to the lobby with big smiles to take the tray off my hands, cause I've been doing it for years, and they do love cookies, and we all know each other! Life is fun in a small town! :lamo:

The Post Office actually delivered mail today to your daughter? That is unusual! There was talk about discontinuing Saturday mail delivery but that fell through, and now they'll sometimes deliver on Sunday? :thumbs:
 
polgara said:
I ordered his gift late yesterday, Pero. I asked for two day delivery which is why I didn't expect it until tomorrow - I had no idea it would arrive tonight! Maybe they were going to be in my area or something? Whatever, I'm very pleased, because now I have all the gifts that were going in this batch - I have already sent the toys directly from Toys R US to them earlier this week, so now it's all done. I have cookie trays to go to the bank, post office and library tomorrow, and that winds it up for me. Thankfully the snowy weather is holding off! I won't even have to wait in line at the Post office to deliver the cookie tray - they come out to the lobby with big smiles to take the tray off my hands, cause I've been doing it for years, and they do love cookies, and we all know each other! Life is fun in a small town! :lamo:

The Post Office actually delivered mail today to your daughter? That is unusual! There was talk about discontinuing Saturday mail delivery but that fell through, and now they'll sometimes deliver on Sunday? :thumbs:
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They sure did, I was shocked to see the USPS truck pull up in front with a package. Once delivered they completely zipped away without stopping at any of the neighbors. Perhaps USPS has also started Sunday delivery, for a price like the UPS and FEDEX. I don't know.
 
Sabanist said:
Integrity is not claiming something you are not.
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If she believed it because her family told her so, then there really is no question about her integrity. She repeated something her family told her. She wouldn't be the first person to do so or the last. :shrug:

If you do not know, dont claim you are. You can defend her, thats your right, but she is dishonest and most americans can see it.
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Actually, most American's don't care about this non-issue.
 
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Hatuey said:
If she believed it because her family told her so, then there really is no question about her integrity. She repeated something her family told her. She wouldn't be the first person to do so or the last. :shrug:



Actually, most American's don't care about this non-issue.
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The Mark said:
Options 3, 5, and 6
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If she challenges Hillary for the Dem nomination then Hillary's team will put this issue front and center.
 
year2late said:
Do YOU consider him black or white?
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As I understand it he's multiracial. Don't really evaluate folks on the color of their skin, unless of course they insist upon it. I look very white, but I'm definitely a mix of the paint.
 
Hatuey said:
If she believed it because her family told her so, then there really is no question about her integrity. She repeated something her family told her. She wouldn't be the first person to do so or the last. :shrug:



Actually, most American's don't care about this non-issue.
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Except she didn't just tell others what she had heard, she attested to it as fact on forms for self gain. This is something she knew was wrong to do at the time, but she got away with it and rode with the gain.
 
clownboy said:
As I understand it he's multiracial. Don't really evaluate folks on the color of their skin, unless of course they insist upon it. I look very white, but I'm definitely a mix of the paint.
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And Warren was insisting on nothing. She was hired because of education and skill, if there is any REAL evidence that she was only hired because of her heritage, I have not seen it. Once upon a time, she checked a box. Once upon a time the box she checked asked if she wanted to have her heritage considered, and she check no.

Because of her education and skills, she was sought after.

Perhaps if the folks advocating for Scott Brown went after real issues instead of this inconsequential one, he might have one. Perhaps if she runs again, they can start going after her long form birth certificate. That might be helpful.:lamo

It was family lore she bought into. I have my own, I would never have thought of intentionally seeking out to disprove it. I did find through researching the family tree (for fun) that one part of the family lore is accurate. I never would have thought to tell my family to prove it. :doh

I still have yet to see proof she actually got jobs and favoritism because of her heritage.
 
clownboy said:
Except she didn't just tell others what she had heard, she attested to it as fact on forms for self gain.
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She wouldn't be the first person to state their beliefs as facts. Doesn't call into question their integrity. More importantly, this issue doesn't call her integrity into question anymore than Republicans changing name to seem less ethnic questions there. Piyush Jindal? Ludmya Love? Yeah, this is a non-issue for the most part. Try harder.

This is something she knew was wrong to do at the time, but she got away with it and rode with the gain.
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Nonsense. If she believed she was Native American because her family told her so, and stated it as fact, then "she knew" that she was wrong is nonsense. As far as Elizabeth Warren understood, her family and by extension her had NA roots dating back hundreds of years. That's no different than a person believing they're Scottish because their name is Smythe, only to later find out they're Irish. It's really not that big of a deal. Try harder.
 
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clownboy said:
Except she didn't just tell others what she had heard, she attested to it as fact on forms for self gain. This is something she knew was wrong to do at the time, but she got away with it and rode with the gain.
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The Globe obtained a portion of Warren's application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school's Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered "no."

For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was "white."

But Penn's 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority. The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate's heritage didn't come up during the course of her hiring. "It simply played no role in the appointments process," he said. "It was not mentioned and I didn't mention it to the faculty."

The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, "I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned."
Read more at snopes.com: Elizabeth Warren, Wealthy Native American
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snopes.com: Elizabeth Warren, Wealthy Native American
 
Jack Hays said:
If she challenges Hillary for the Dem nomination then Hillary's team will put this issue front and center.
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Why should that make me care?

Politicians spend 75% of their time arguing about pointless bull**** already, what's another point of bull?
 
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