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Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

  • Absolutely not -- part of her family denies it.

    Votes: 6 7.7%

  • Absolutely -- part of her family says it's true.

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • How the hell would I know?

    Votes: 21 26.9%

  • I don't see why this is so unbelievable.

    Votes: 6 7.7%

  • Who cares?

    Votes: 53 67.9%

  • No, seriously, this is the least important issue in the history of anything ever.

    Votes: 26 33.3%
  • Total voters
    78
tres borrachos said:
Please link to the thread where I "enlightened everybody about her 'crazy eyes'".

I don't have apathy towards her, and never "feigned" to have it. My posts on her have been about specific disagreements with her rhetoric having nothing to do with her ancestry. Including right here in this thread as well as the one where you all are arguing about her ancestry, and I haven't commented on her ancestry. I don't care about her ancestry. I care when people actually think she's trying to "help the little guy".

You need to pay better attention to my posts so you don't mischaracterize them in the future.
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Sorry, you want to enlighten us that she looks nuts (my bad), which is right in line with your odd fascination with the good Senator.
 
Cardinal said:
snopes.com: Elizabeth Warren, Wealthy Native American
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You keep posting this link, as if you don't realize that it doesn't counter what cpwill is asking.

First, it doesn't actually address the legitimacy of her claim of being native american at all.

Second, while snopes concludes "So while Sen. Elizabeth Warren has claimed Native American heritage, it does not appear she used her ethnic background for career advancement purposes to any significant degree", that's not exactly countering cpwill's claims.

From Snopes article....a piece you understandably decided to trim...talks about how the AALS was used as a "tip sheet" for administrators looking for minority faculty members:

In the old days before the Internet, you'd pull out the AALS directory and look up people," he said. "There are schools that, if they were looking for a minority faculty member, would go to that list and might say, 'I didn't know Elizabeth Warren was a minority.'"
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She says she wasn't applying for things, she was "recruited". Said school administrators doing such recruiting has access to that directory, which she acknowledged she identified herself as a minority. She claims she added herself to said list because she wanted to network with other people "like her". However, unless we're saying it's entirely unreasonable for someone to disbelieve what a politician claims in response to a "scandal", it's not absolutely unreasonable for someone to believe the reason she added herself to said list was because said list was used by administrators when looking for potential candidates to "recruit" and her status as a minority could assist in such a case.

Whether she did it for that reason or not is completely unknown. She claims she didn't. If you're someone to take politicians claims to be absolute truth unless there's legitimate evidence otherwise, then that should end it. If you're someone distrusting of politicians responses regarding a scandal, it's reasonable to think that such a reason is a possability.

Now it's quite possible to disagree with cpwill's premise, that if she lied she did it "seeking racial advantage". You could even easily suggest that whether or not she lied is irrelevant, because she could have lied and STILL not necessarily lied because she was "seeking racial advantage". However your snopes article doesn't really do that at all, which is why it's curious that you keep reposting it over and over again.
 
Cardinal said:
Sorry, you want to enlighten us that she looks nuts (my bad), which is right in line with your odd fascination with the good Senator.
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Odd fascination with a person being touted as a "front runner", whom I disagree with from a policy perspective. Okay. I guess I should just worry more about who thinks she's a Native American or not, and start polls on that. That's a much more important fact.

And I don't "enlighten" people with my opinion on a bad photograph, which is what that was that I commented on, now that you stated it correctly. Weird that you actually remember it. Very weird. Who has the Warren obsession? You do, unless you make it a habit to memorize all of my posts.

Happy Friday!
 
apdst said:
You can bet your ass that if she was a Conservative they would care.
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Just like you could bet your ass off if she was Conservative a bunch of folks in this thread who do care would suddenly be piping up with "what does it matter".

It's kind of easy to cast stones towards the other side when you haven't even stepped up enough to give your own answer to the threads question.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Because they would never lie when pushed.
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Brown said that Warren “checked the box claiming she was Native American” when she applied to Harvard and Penn, suggesting the Democratic candidate somehow gained an unfair advantage because of an iffy ethnic background. But there is no proof that she ever marked a form to tell the schools about her heritage, nor is there any public evidence that the universities knew about her lineage before hiring her.
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The Fact Checker expects accusers to satisfy the burden of proof for their charges. That was the case when Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said that GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney tried to avoid taxes with offshore accounts. We awarded four Pinocchios to Reid because the senator lacked conclusive evidence — or much evidence at all, for that matter. We’ve also knocked the Obama campaign repeatedly for jumping to unwarranted conclusions about Mitt Romney’s record at Bain Capital.

The outstanding questions about Warren’s directory listing — and her relying on family lore rather than official documentation to make an ethnic claim — certainly raise serious concerns about Warren’s judgment. But in the debate, the Republican incumbent conflated conjecture and sketchy information to make a claim not supported by the available evidence, and so he earns Two Pinocchios.
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Did Elizabeth Warren check the Native American box when she ‘applied’ to Harvard and Penn? - The Washington Post

You guys are intent on making this the next great Birther idiocy.
 
tres borrachos said:
Odd fascination with a person being touted as a "front runner", whom I disagree with from a policy perspective. Okay. I guess I should just worry more about who thinks she's a Native American or not, and start polls on that. That's a much more important fact.

And I don't "enlighten" people with my opinion on a bad photograph, which is what that was that I commented on, now that you stated it correctly. Weird that you actually remember it. Very weird. Who has the Warren obsession? You do, unless you make it a habit to memorize all of my posts.

Happy Friday!
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Interesting that you aren't aware of your fascination with Warren. Without your even knowing it you launched yourself to the status of "that poster who's obsessed with Elizabeth Warren." Now you know, and next time before clicking respond in the next Warren thread you'll think, "Huh, Cardinal was right -- I do seem to have a weird thing for Warren. What's that all about?"
 
Zyphlin said:
Just like you could bet your ass off if she was Conservative a bunch of folks in this thread who do care would suddenly be piping up with "what does it matter".
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And I would be one of them.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Because they would never lie when pushed.
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You can cry about the source for just about everything....so just screaming "They may be lieing" doesn't really do much if you don't specific how and why you're suggesting it. Sure, they could lie...they could also be space aliens. Who knows! Do you have some indication as to why some of the information may be wrong?

Here's a more thorough article on the matter (WAPO Fact Checker).
 
Cardinal said:
Interesting that you aren't aware of your fascination with Warren. Without your even knowing it you launched yourself to the status of "that poster who's obsessed with Elizabeth Warren." Now you know, and next time before clicking respond in the next Warren thread you'll think, "Huh, Cardinal was right -- I do seem to have a weird thing for Warren. What's that all about?"
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I'm flattered that you memorize all of my posts, but there are a lot of people in this thread who are calling your great Senator a liar. Don't you want to convince them that she's a great Senator and not a liar? You won't ever convince me that she's a great Senator, and I don't care if she lied about her ancestry or not.

And I am fascinated with her. I just posted that. I think she is a dangerous person. So not sure what it is that you aren't getting. I guess you're not memorizing my posts anymore?
 
Zyphlin said:
Just like you could bet your ass off if she was Conservative a bunch of folks in this thread who do care would suddenly be piping up with "what does it matter".

It's kind of easy to cast stones towards the other side when you haven't even stepped up enough to give your own answer to the threads question.
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But, that's not the case. Is it? ;)
 
apdst said:
But, that's not the case. Is it? ;)
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What's not the case? That you haven't actually given your answer to the OP? Or that the hypothetical you put forward, about if "she was a conservative", wasn't the case?

Please enlighten me as to which one you're suggesting isn't the case, and how that's a relevant response to my comment on your assertion?
 
If I had a nickel for every time a person me they were some minor percent (native American) Indian...
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm sure you think that you would IF such a situation happened, but strange that you'd say it since you think....
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It's not "what if" if I already know whether I feel something is important or not. But if you don't find that plausible then I won't hold it against you if you bookmark this for future use in case I don't live up to my principles.
 
Zyphlin said:
What's not the case? That you haven't actually given your answer to the OP? Or that the hypothetical you put forward, about if "she was a conservative", wasn't the case?

Please enlighten me as to which one you're suggesting isn't the case, and how that's a relevant response to my comment on your assertion?
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She's not a Conservative. When it's a Conservative, I guess we'll see who's right and who's wrong, huh?

I've pointed out Warren lieing about being an indian, in order to fraudulently receive preferential treatment as a minority, to point out her lack a credibility. If she'll lie about that, she'll lie about anything.

Now, we have the, "Bush lied, kids died", crowd saying, "eh...it's no big deal".
 
Cardinal said:
Pretty cut and dried. Have at it.
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I don't know and I really don't care. If she isn't and used being part Indian to get her into college, perhaps if she runs for higher office that will surely come out. But as a senator from MASS, the people from MASS don't care one way or the other, why should someone from Georgia or someplace else other than MASS give a hoot?
 
Zyphlin said:
You can cry about the source for just about everything....so just screaming "They may be lieing" doesn't really do much if you don't specific how and why you're suggesting it. Sure, they could lie...they could also be space aliens. Who knows! Do you have some indication as to why some of the information may be wrong?

Here's a more thorough article on the matter (WAPO Fact Checker).
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Another one that missed the biggest word of my first post. The word IF.
 
tres borrachos said:
Scott Brown tried to win the election on being Scott Brown, not the issue of her Native American ancestry or not.

That said, he did hit her with it a few times, in an ad and in a debate. Sorry, but that's politics. If she can't handle it, she needs to find another vocation.
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Or just tell the truth, or not claim she is a minority when she is clearly white
 
She listed her self as a minority in a directory, at best in hopes to "network" with other professionals like her (which based on the WAPO fact checker right up is mildly questionable) and at worst as a means of making her look more diserable to employers. She also proved valuable to at least one employer by being able to be promoted as a minority faculty member based on her claim.

Those are professional benefits, even going with the "best case" up top (forming networking relationships with others in your field is a professional benefit).

It's not unreasonable for someone to care if someone "lied" with the intent to gain professional benefits, or without said intent but ultimately still gaining said benefits.

"Caring" if she lied isn't some crazy notion. It's rather par for the course with how people look at politicians.

Definitively suggesting she DID lie...that's an entirely different situation. While there may be questions regarding the legitimacy of her claim, there seems to be very little evidence to suggest that her claims of being native american were made in a way that was purposefully to mislead or to suggest that she didn't personally believe that she is native american.
 
apdst said:
She's not a Conservative.
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Then why'd you bring up the hypothetical about her being one? Why was it perfectly fine for you to muse how one set of people would act if she was consrevative, but you've got some kind of issue with me making a similar musing about a different set of people?

I've pointed out Warren lieing about being an indian, in order to fraudulently receive preferential treatment as a minority, to point out her lack a credibility.
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Really? I've not seen you say any such thing in this thread till just now. Glad you finally take a stance. So exactly what evidence do you have that Warren:

1. actively lied about being an indian
2. that she did it "in order to fraudulently recieve preferential treatment"
 
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