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Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?


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Scott Brown tried to win the election on being Scott Brown, not the issue of her Native American ancestry or not.
I know, I was just being hyperbolic. He couldn't beat Elizabeth Warren, so he became a carpetbagger in your state and still lost. So he went back to Fox News.
That said, he did hit her with it a few times, in an ad and in a debate. Sorry, but that's politics. If she can't handle it, she needs to find another vocation.
I am sure she can handle it just fine.
 
Scott Brown tried to win the election on being Scott Brown, not the issue of her Native American ancestry or not.

That said, he did hit her with it a few times, in an ad and in a debate. Sorry, but that's politics. If she can't handle it, she needs to find another vocation.

She responded with her own ad with the message “Scott Brown can continue attacking my family, but I’m going to keep fighting for yours." and went on to win the election against Brown. I'd say she handled it just fine. In fact she's successfully swatted aside this "scandal" and the discussion has pretty much been relegated to debate forums only.
 
She is the one that made it an issue.

Liberals usually are. For people who don't want race to matter, they spend all their time pointing it out.
 
If she got financial benefit from her claim, yet cannot back up her claim. She should be compelled to pay it back.
Warren responded she was recruited for the positions and did not "apply" for them; and for the most part, her record did not indicate any identification as part of a minority group:
The Globe obtained a portion of Warren's application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school's Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered "no."

For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was "white."

But Penn's 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority. The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate's heritage didn't come up during the course of her hiring. "It simply played no role in the appointments process," he said. "It was not mentioned and I didn't mention it to the faculty."

The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, "I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned."
So while Sen. Elizabeth Warren has claimed Native American heritage, it does not appear she used her ethnic background for career advancement purposes to any significant degree.

snopes.com: Elizabeth Warren, Wealthy Native American
 
I find the breakdown of this thread interesting.

Those who might be inclined to vote for her: :yawn:

Those who would never ever vote for her: :scared:

Pretty predictable, if you think about it.
 
I know, I was just being hyperbolic. He couldn't beat Elizabeth Warren, so he became a carpetbagger in your state and still lost. So he went back to Fox News.

I am sure she can handle it just fine.

Not really a carpetbagger. Hillary Clinton was by definition a carpetbagger. Brown was born here.

I actually think if the election cycle had gone on another 2 weeks, he would have unseated Shaheen. But he also didn't get enough support from the pro-2A people here.

But back to Warren. I still say "how the hell would I know?"
 
I don't really think much in doubting her or saying she lied; I think this kind of thing is too murky to really nail down.

HOWEVER...

The obvious attempts to play dumb by some in this thread make me scrach my head. It doesn't take an ounce of thought to understand WHY some people may give a damn as to whether or not she legitimately is partially native american.

Her claim of a minority status has been used previously as a means of attempting to promote her or as a means of assisting her competitive resume for entrance into various things. As such, I can completely understand why some people would care, and want to "give a damn", about whether or not she actually is native american....because it potentially speaks to her integrity/naivity/etc.

Forgive me if the chorus of "who cares", and specifically the "what doe sit matter", rings rather hollow and partisan to me rather than a sincere notion from many folks. That if this was a very right wing person, instead of very left wing person, that the crowd going "I don't care" would suddenly be having more of an issue with the potential lie used to promote ones self (and yes, many of those caring now would likely be answering like many of you..."what doe sit matter"). Considering how often I've seen peoples legitimacy in terms of their claims of native american heritage be called out recently...even in instances where said heritage HASN'T been used as a means of furthering ones education/career...I find it hard to believe that the treatment here would be anywhere near equally blaise.

I don't think there's anything reasonable enough to absolutely state she isn't, and she claims she is, so for me that's good enough. I understand for others that it's not. But either way...I absolutely can see and understand why some people would find whether or not her claims are corret an important thing.
 
I find the breakdown of this thread interesting.

Those who might be inclined to vote for her: :yawn:

Those who would never ever vote for he: :scared:

Pretty predictable, if you think about it.

I'm not inclined to vote for her. In fact, I would never ever ever vote for her. And I'm in the yawn column. Or rather the "how the hell would I know" column. I have a lot of reasons why I don't like her at all, but this isn't one of them.
 
I don't really think much in doubting her or saying she lied; I think this kind of thing is too murky to really nail down.

HOWEVER...

The obvious attempts to play dumb by some in this thread make me scrach my head. It doesn't take an ounce of thought to understand WHY some people may give a damn as to whether or not she legitimately is partially native american.

There's claims she's, or others, have previously used her claims of minority as a means of attempting to promote her in various ways. As such, I can completely understand why some people would care, and want to "give a damn", about whether or not she actually is native american....because it potentially speaks to her integrity/naivity/etc.

Forgive me if the chorus of "who cares", and specifically the "what doe sit matter", rings rather hollow and partisan to me rather than a sincere notion from many folks. That if this was a very right wing person, instead of very left wing person, that the crowd going "I don't care" would suddenly be having more of an issue with the potential lie used to promote ones self (and yes, many of those caring now would likely be answering like many of you..."what doe sit matter"). Considering how often I've seen peoples legitimacy in terms of their claims of native american heritage be called out recently...even in instances where said heritage HASN'T been used as a means of furthering ones education/career...I find it hard to believe that the treatment here would be anywhere near equally blaise.

I don't think there's anything reasonable enough to absolutely state she isn't, and she claims she is, so for me that's good enough. I understand for others that it's not. But either way...I absolutely can see and understand why some people would find whether or not her claims are corret an important thing.
Bin-go!
 
She responded with her own ad with the message “Scott Brown can continue attacking my family, but I’m going to keep fighting for yours." and went on to win the election against Brown. I'd say she handled it just fine. In fact she's successfully swatted aside this "scandal" and the discussion has pretty much been relegated to debate forums only.

You seem awfully anxious to defend her. You even know what she had in her ads? I live here and saw them regularly, and I can't quote her ads verbatim.
 
I dont know if she lied about it, dont know if she is part Native American, etc, and quite honestly dont really care.

To be clear - it's not that you don't care if she's NA, you don't care if she lied?

Kobie said:
I don't know if she lied about it.

Do you care if she did?

pbrauer said:
I don't know that she lied,

But do you care if she did. Is it okay for her to lie about it.
 
I don't really think much in doubting her or saying she lied; I think this kind of thing is too murky to really nail down.

HOWEVER...

The obvious attempts to play dumb by some in this thread make me scrach my head. It doesn't take an ounce of thought to understand WHY some people may give a damn as to whether or not she legitimately is partially native american.

Her claim of a minority status has been used previously as a means of attempting to promote her or as a means of assisting her competitive resume for entrance into various things. As such, I can completely understand why some people would care, and want to "give a damn", about whether or not she actually is native american....because it potentially speaks to her integrity/naivity/etc.

Forgive me if the chorus of "who cares", and specifically the "what doe sit matter", rings rather hollow and partisan to me rather than a sincere notion from many folks. That if this was a very right wing person, instead of very left wing person, that the crowd going "I don't care" would suddenly be having more of an issue with the potential lie used to promote ones self (and yes, many of those caring now would likely be answering like many of you..."what doe sit matter"). Considering how often I've seen peoples legitimacy in terms of their claims of native american heritage be called out recently...even in instances where said heritage HASN'T been used as a means of furthering ones education/career...I find it hard to believe that the treatment here would be anywhere near equally blaise.

I don't think there's anything reasonable enough to absolutely state she isn't, and she claims she is, so for me that's good enough. I understand for others that it's not. But either way...I absolutely can see and understand why some people would find whether or not her claims are corret an important thing.

Playing the "what if" game is weak sauce.
 
You seem awfully anxious to defend her. You even know what she had in her ads? I live here and saw them regularly, and I can't quote her ads verbatim.

That's pretty rich, coming from someone who's drawn to Elizabeth Warren threads like a moth to flame.

And it's called "google."
 
I don't really think much in doubting her or saying she lied; I think this kind of thing is too murky to really nail down.

HOWEVER...

The obvious attempts to play dumb by some in this thread make me scrach my head. It doesn't take an ounce of thought to understand WHY some people may give a damn as to whether or not she legitimately is partially native american.

Her claim of a minority status has been used previously as a means of attempting to promote her or as a means of assisting her competitive resume for entrance into various things. As such, I can completely understand why some people would care, and want to "give a damn", about whether or not she actually is native american....because it potentially speaks to her integrity/naivity/etc.

Forgive me if the chorus of "who cares", and specifically the "what doe sit matter", rings rather hollow and partisan to me rather than a sincere notion from many folks. That if this was a very right wing person, instead of very left wing person, that the crowd going "I don't care" would suddenly be having more of an issue with the potential lie used to promote ones self (and yes, many of those caring now would likely be answering like many of you..."what doe sit matter"). Considering how often I've seen peoples legitimacy in terms of their claims of native american heritage be called out recently...even in instances where said heritage HASN'T been used as a means of furthering ones education/career...I find it hard to believe that the treatment here would be anywhere near equally blaise.

I don't think there's anything reasonable enough to absolutely state she isn't, and she claims she is, so for me that's good enough. I understand for others that it's not. But either way...I absolutely can see and understand why some people would find whether or not her claims are corret an important thing.

Nicely done. I agree - I don't know what she is or isn't, no idea whether she lied or not, etc., which is why I don't dwell on it (that's the least of her sins in my book if it IS true), but I'm a little surprised at how much it's being dismissed and people who do have a concern about it are being berated for it.
 
To be clear - it's not that you don't care if she's NA, you don't care if she lied?

No. Its I dont know if she is part Native American, and nor do I care.
 
To be clear - it's not that you don't care if she's NA, you don't care if she lied?



Do you care if she did?



But do you care if she did. Is it okay for her to lie about it.

snopes.com: Elizabeth Warren, Wealthy Native American

Warren responded she was recruited for the positions and did not "apply" for them; and for the most part, her record did not indicate any identification as part of a minority group:
The Globe obtained a portion of Warren's application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school's Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered "no."

For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was "white."

But Penn's 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority. The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate's heritage didn't come up during the course of her hiring. "It simply played no role in the appointments process," he said. "It was not mentioned and I didn't mention it to the faculty."

The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, "I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned."
So while Sen. Elizabeth Warren has claimed Native American heritage, it does not appear she used her ethnic background for career advancement purposes to any significant degree. Moreover, while Warren's home is expensive by average American standards, it's still a relatively modest house valued comparably with similar homes in her Cambridge neighborhood.
 
That's pretty rich, coming from someone who's drawn to Elizabeth Warren threads like a moth to flame.

And it's called "google."

I don't Google things about Warren. I have my issues with her and have repeatedly posted what they are. I don't try to change people's minds about her, and don't care what others think about her. With all due respect, you started a poll about it because you didn't like what people were posting about her in that thread. You seem to be very concerned about defending her honor, and I have no idea why, but you don't owe me an explanation. As long as I don't have to vote for her, I don't care who does.
 
I don't Google things about Warren.

Yes, you just want to enlighten everybody about her "crazy eyes" (I remember that thread). You can feign apathy, but there isn't a thread on her you aren't instantaneously drawn to.
 
Do you care if she lied about it, meaning that she was falsely seeking racial advantage, harming the credibility of the system of affirmative action while also presumably denying a spot to the next actual minority in line, for her own professional and financial benefit?

You can bet your ass that if she was a Conservative they would care.
 
Yes, you just want to enlighten everybody about her "crazy eyes" (I remember that thread). You can feign apathy, but there isn't a thread on her you aren't instantaneously drawn to.

Please link to the thread where I "enlightened everybody about her 'crazy eyes'".

I don't have apathy towards her, and never "feigned" to have it. My posts on her have been about specific disagreements with her rhetoric having nothing to do with her ancestry. Including right here in this thread as well as the one where you all are arguing about her ancestry, and I haven't commented on her ancestry. I don't care about her ancestry. I care when people actually think she's trying to "help the little guy".

You need to pay better attention to my posts so you don't mischaracterize them in the future.
 
I don't care if she's native or not. The only thing I care is if she's leveraging it disproportionately for benefits she would not otherwise qualify for, or frankly to get a reputation boost from some fabricated importance to it. If she does either, then I say she's fair game to be criticized. And if not... doesn't exactly give me pause to scream bloody murder.
 
Even if she isn't she probably thought she was based on things she heard growing up. I have a feeling most white people who think they are part Native American based on family lore are probably wrong.
 
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