View Poll Results: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

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  • Absolutely not -- part of her family denies it.

    7 7.14%
  • Absolutely -- part of her family says it's true.

    1 1.02%
  • How the hell would I know?

    29 29.59%
  • I don't see why this is so unbelievable.

    7 7.14%
  • Who cares?

    64 65.31%
  • No, seriously, this is the least important issue in the history of anything ever.

    35 35.71%
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's great, I did it years ago. I thought I was part Scottish, and had identified as such. Found out I also had a few other groups in my genetic makeup. Does the fact that I identified as ethnically Scottish/Black and nothing else mean I was ashamed of whatever I am? No. Hell, to this day I identify as black because that's what society sees me as. I could make an effort to correct the situation, but I simply don't care enough about it. Besides, when I get stopped for driving a nice car, it's not because I look too Scottish for it. A lot of people don't research the claims of their families. Elizabeth Warren is one of them. Play more racial politics and see if this issue gets you anywhere.
    I don't think it's a matter of racial politics. It's an integrity issue.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It is not a blood test. It is a cotton swab inside the cheek. This thread is the only place I've seen the Warren issue raised lately.
    Blood test versus swab od cheek? Seriously? What does it matter. It is family lore. Statements based on belief. If her belief turns out to based on inaccurate information passed down for generations, does that make her a liar?

    Perhaps you should insist on her getting the long form ancestry trace.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I don't think it's a matter of racial politics. It's an integrity issue.
    Bull****. It is a matter of racial politics or for the most part not understanding how people address their racial identity. Warren thought she was NA, she kept stating it, then was proven wrong (maybe, it's hard to believe that there is anybody in this country without any Native American in them). It doesn't put her integrity into question anymore than whitening one's name to fit in like Piyush Jindal.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Blood test versus swab od cheek? Seriously? What does it matter. It is family lore. Statements based on belief. If her belief turns out to based on inaccurate information passed down for generations, does that make her a liar?

    Perhaps you should insist on her getting the long form ancestry trace.
    She benefited from the claim of Indian ancestry and now can't substantiate it.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    If her DNA test proves not to show Native American heritage...the only integrity in play is that of the person/people generations back who falsely passed down the information.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Blood test versus swab od cheek? Seriously? What does it matter. It is family lore. Statements based on belief. If her belief turns out to based on inaccurate information passed down for generations, does that make her a liar?

    Perhaps you should insist on her getting the long form ancestry trace.
    Yes. And the long ancestry trace isn't germane here. She knew what the requirements were for claiming ancestry on for the university. She doesn't meet those requirements. She knew this going in.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Bull****. It is a matter of racial politics or for the most part not understanding how people address their racial identity. Warren thought she was NA, she kept stating it, then was proven wrong (maybe, it's hard to believe that there is anybody in this country without any Native American in them). It doesn't put her integrity into question anymore than whitening one's name to fit in like Piyush Jindal.
    Most claims of Native American ancestry in the US are false. Claims based on family lore are especially dubious.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why do complex points go over your head like this? It's like you don't really understand what is being stated and you focus on what is literally being written and not the importance of the statement within the context it was given. The point was that how a person addresses their ethnic origins doesn't mean jack when it comes to their integrity. Piyush Jindal whitening his name doesn't call into question his integrity. The comparison comes from the fact that all of these people addressed their ethnicities in ways that are questionable only to people who don't understand the finer points of racial identity. Those who make a big fuss about Warren's NA claims are no better than the people who keep screaming that Obama is a Kenyan citizen or made a fuss about McCain being born in Panama. Do you understand yet? If you don't, please start reading books on racial identity. I don't have the time to teach you why believing you're one thing, and then turning out to be another has been a pretty normal occurrence after the rise of industrialism and global economies. It's as normal as whitening your name so you can be accepted in Western societies like Piyush and Ludmya Bordeau did.
    Whitening their names? So that people would think Mia (a nickname of Ludmya) was white?

    Why did it fly over your head that Jindal wanted an American name in America, not an Indian name in America? Like my neighbor's kid.

    By the way, Sasha Obama's real name is Natasha. You think Obama wanted everyone to not think she was Russian when he bestowed her nickname on her?

    And once again, the application of nicknames is as relevant to the Warren story as the color of my bedspread.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    If her DNA test proves not to show Native American heritage...the only integrity in play is that of the person/people generations back who falsely passed down the information.
    No, when she is attesting that the info is correct, the onus is on her to make sure it's so. In this case, sooooo easy to check. Either she's on the rolls or she's not. The tools and knowledge for her to verify before she swore to it were there and easily used.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Whitening their names? So that people would think Mia (a nickname of Ludmya) was white?

    Why did it fly over your head that Jindal wanted an American name in America, not an Indian name in America? Like my neighbor's kid.

    By the way, Sasha Obama's real name is Natasha. You think Obama wanted everyone to not think she was Russian when he bestowed her nickname on her?

    And once again, the application of nicknames is as relevant to the Warren story as the color of my bedspread.
    Factoid: Sasha is a diminutive of Alexandra or Alexander.
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