View Poll Results: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

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  • Absolutely not -- part of her family denies it.

    7 7.14%
  • Absolutely -- part of her family says it's true.

    1 1.02%
  • How the hell would I know?

    29 29.59%
  • I don't see why this is so unbelievable.

    7 7.14%
  • Who cares?

    64 65.31%
  • No, seriously, this is the least important issue in the history of anything ever.

    35 35.71%
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    She wouldn't be the first person to state their beliefs as facts. Doesn't call into question their integrity. More importantly, this issue doesn't call her integrity into question anymore than Republicans changing name to seem less ethnic questions there. Piyush Jindal? Ludmya Love? Yeah, this is a non-issue for the most part. Try harder.



    Nonsense. If she believed she was Native American because her family told her so, and stated it as fact, then "she knew" that she was wrong is nonsense. As far as Elizabeth Warren understood, her family and by extension her had NA roots dating back hundreds of years. That's no different than a person believing they're Scottish because their name is Smythe, only to later find out they're Irish. It's really not that big of a deal. Try harder.
    Bobby Jindal began calling himself "Bobby" when he was in grammar school. Many children who have ethnic names call themselves something different. My neighbor's son is named Vishak; his parents were raised in India. He and his parents started calling him Kenny when he was in Kindergarten. Does that mean they aren't trying to hide the fact that he's Indian?

    Mia is a nickname of Ludmya. The name my friends call me is a portion of my given name as a nickname. Am I trying to hide my heritage?

    And neither example has anything to do with Warren anyway. What do nicknames have to do with anything?
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    The evidence says she checked a box. Other evidence showed she asked her alleged heritage not to be used for the hiring process. Other evidence shows he had identified as "white"/

    The only circling of the wagons is those of desperate people who fear a potential candidacy beyond the Senate.

    This issue will just be another long form birth certificate type fiasco that clearly backfired on the republicans. I say go for it, make it a huge issue.
    The birth certificate fiasco backfired on Republicans? I'd say it backfired on Hillary Clinton. It was her supporters that first made the claim about Obama, not the Republicans. Do you think McCain & Romney both lost because of WND and the birthers?
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    The evidence says she checked a box. Other evidence showed she asked her alleged heritage not to be used for the hiring process. Other evidence shows he had identified as "white"/

    The only circling of the wagons is those of desperate people who fear a potential candidacy beyond the Senate.

    This issue will just be another long form birth certificate type fiasco that clearly backfired on the republicans. I say go for it, make it a huge issue.
    This will not be raised by Repubs for a long time. Why? Because they hope she becomes the Dem nominee. This threat of this story comes from the Hillary team, for whom it's a good fit to tarnish her populist credentials. If Warren were to become the Dem nominee, repubs would only have to cite the questions raised earlier by her fellow Dems.

    She could easily lay this to rest with a simple DNA test (about $250).

    Her minority status was highlighted by her university. Denials over a decade later are not credible.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This will not be raised by Repubs for a long time. Why? Because they hope she becomes the Dem nominee. This threat of this story comes from the Hillary team, for whom it's a good fit to tarnish her populist credentials. If Warren were to become the Dem nominee, repubs would only have to cite the questions raised earlier by her fellow Dems.

    She could easily lay this to rest with a simple DNA test (about $250).

    Her minority status was highlighted by her university. Denials over a decade later are not credible.
    Maybe the Hillary birthers will solve the mystery of Warren once and for all when Warren runs against her.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Bobby Jindal began calling himself "Bobby" when he was in grammar school.

    Many children who have ethnic names call themselves something different. My neighbor's son is named Vishak; his parents were raised in India. He and his parents started calling him Kenny when he was in Kindergarten. Does that mean they aren't trying to hide the fact that he's Indian?

    Mia is a nickname of Ludmya. The name my friends call me is a portion of my given name as a nickname. Am I trying to hide my heritage?

    And neither example has anything to do with Warren anyway. What do nicknames have to do with anything?
    Why do complex points go over your head like this? It's like you don't really understand what is being stated and you focus on what is literally being written and not the importance of the statement within the context it was given. The point was that how a person addresses their ethnic origins doesn't mean jack when it comes to their integrity. Piyush Jindal whitening his name doesn't call into question his integrity. The comparison comes from the fact that all of these people addressed their ethnicities in ways that are questionable only to people who don't understand the finer points of racial identity. Those who make a big fuss about Warren's NA claims are no better than the people who keep screaming that Obama is a Kenyan citizen or made a fuss about McCain being born in Panama. Do you understand yet? If you don't, please start reading books on racial identity. I don't have the time to teach you why believing you're one thing, and then turning out to be another has been a pretty normal occurrence after the rise of industrialism and global economies. It's as normal as whitening your name so you can be accepted in Western societies like Piyush and Ludmya Bordeau did.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The birth certificate fiasco backfired on Republicans? I'd say it backfired on Hillary Clinton. It was her supporters that first made the claim about Obama, not the Republicans. Do you think McCain & Romney both lost because of WND and the birthers?
    I agree with Hillary, but doubling down on the birth certificate issue after Hillary left the race, clearly backfired on Republicans. Made them seem unhinged and off point.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This will not be raised by Repubs for a long time. Why? Because they hope she becomes the Dem nominee. This threat of this story comes from the Hillary team, for whom it's a good fit to tarnish her populist credentials. If Warren were to become the Dem nominee, repubs would only have to cite the questions raised earlier by her fellow Dems.

    She could easily lay this to rest with a simple DNA test (about $250).

    Her minority status was highlighted by her university. Denials over a decade later are not credible.
    Who raised this issue now?

    By the way, asking for a blood test makes you seem like you think it should be a big issue.

    Never thought of getting a blood test to prove or disprove family lore.

    But go ahead and keep it up.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why do complex points go over your head like this? It's like you don't really understand what is being stated and you focus on what is literally being written and not the importance of the statement within the context it was given. The point was that how a person addresses their ethnic origins doesn't mean jack when it comes to their integrity. Piyush Jindal whitening his name doesn't call into question his integrity. The comparison comes from the fact that all of these people addressed their ethnicities in ways that are questionable only to people who don't understand the finer points of racial identity. Those who make a big fuss about Warren's NA claims are no better than the people who keep screaming that Obama is a Kenyan citizen or made a fuss about McCain being born in Panama. Do you understand yet? If you don't, please start reading books on racial identity. I don't have the time to teach you why believing you're one thing, and then turning out to be another has been a pretty normal occurrence after the rise of industrialism and global economies. It's as normal as whitening your name so you can be accepted in Western societies like Piyush and Ludmya Bordeau did.
    It's not so simple. The odd thing is that the whole thing could be laid to rest with a simple DNA test for about $250. I did that to get a conclusive answer to a similar story in the lore of my family.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's not so simple. The odd thing is that the whole thing could be laid to rest with a simple DNA test for about $250. I did that to get a conclusive answer to a similar story in the lore of my family.
    That's great, I did it years ago. I thought I was part Scottish, and had identified as such. Found out I also had a few other groups in my genetic makeup. Does the fact that I identified as ethnically Scottish/Black and nothing else mean I was ashamed of whatever I am? No. Hell, to this day I identify as black because that's what society sees me as. I could make an effort to correct the situation, but I simply don't care enough about it. Besides, when I get stopped for driving a nice car, it's not because I look too Scottish for it. A lot of people don't research the claims of their families. Elizabeth Warren is one of them. Play more racial politics and see if this issue gets you anywhere.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Who raised this issue now?

    By the way, asking for a blood test makes you seem like you think it should be a big issue.

    Never thought of getting a blood test to prove or disprove family lore.

    But go ahead and keep it up.
    It is not a blood test. It is a cotton swab inside the cheek. This thread is the only place I've seen the Warren issue raised lately.
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