View Poll Results: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

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  • Absolutely not -- part of her family denies it.

    7 7.14%
  • Absolutely -- part of her family says it's true.

    1 1.02%
  • How the hell would I know?

    29 29.59%
  • I don't see why this is so unbelievable.

    7 7.14%
  • Who cares?

    64 65.31%
  • No, seriously, this is the least important issue in the history of anything ever.

    35 35.71%
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Let's go with the "family lore" angle. Presuming that is indeed what she did, at what point is one of "X" ethnic class vs merely having some of "X" heritage in their family background?

    Or, would it not matter? If it wouldn't matter, then anyone with an ancestor 8 generations ago, for example, as an "X" ethnicity would qualify me as being "X" also. The fact that every single other person in my lineage before and after was "Y" would be irrelevant. I'm "X".
    Well, the question isn't "Is Elizabeth Warren a Native American?" but "Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?" As to the question of whether that part of her is significant is entirely subjective. It's like asking "How many rituals and rules must you observe before you can be considered a Christian?" For everyone you ask you'll almost certainly get a different answer. For such a subjective thing as this, it's enough for me that someone considers that part of themselves significant for them.

    Likewise if someone considers that one Jewish relative they had a hundred generations back important, then it's not up to me to say they shouldn't consider it so. That person wouldn't be as Jewy as me, but then in all fairness there probably aren't any Orthodox Jews who would recognize my Jewishness at all.

    And let's be fair regarding the tribes' decision to not recognize Warren as Native American. They are perfectly free to do so, and in most ways I not only respect but sympathize with their reasoning, but at the end of the day they're still ultimately using a subject standard as well.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 12-14-14 at 02:52 PM.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Integrity is determined by whether a person believes they have heritage which they don't? Look, either way this goes, Elizabeth Warren has plausible deniability. She wouldn't be the first person who believes she has a certain ancestry only to find out years later, that she does not. She stated she had Native Americans in her background and she listed herself as a minority based on the stories she had heard from her family. For you to prove that there was an intent to deceive people (A-la-Iron Eyes Cody) would not only be incredibly hard, you'd literally have to show what she was thinking at the time she made statements about what the stories her family told. Then again, there are literally millions of blacks who claim that they're black when in reality they're a mixture of East Indian, European, African-American and Asian. Are we going to hold them hostage for their politics too? What about Piyush Jindal, Ludmya Bourdeau Love, and Nimrata Nikki Randwana Haley? Are we going to attack them for distancing themselves from their ethnic heritages and shortening/changing their name to seem more American? Are we going to hold them accountable for how they've dealt with their ethnic heritage? Of course not. It's stupid and a personal issue that has had no bearing on why they got elected or their politics. As I said, this is such a minute issue, I just don't care about it anymore than I care that Scott Brown was a nudie for Cosmo 30 years ago. It's irrelevant to his politics, and it's irrelevant to what I think of a person's character.
    Integrity is not claiming something you are not. If you do not know, dont claim you are. You can defend her, thats your right, but she is dishonest and most americans can see it.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Buying into family lore and actually being recognized in a publication as a member of a minority group are far different.

    Its family lore in my family that we descend from germany. Ive never seen any evidence if that so i do not tell people im german.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Unless Warren runs for president whether or not she is or isn't, lied or not, is only relevant to the people of MASS. She is their senator and they had to decide and apparently they decided they didn't care. I don't either.
    Wrong. She is a us senator. She influences national legislation, not just mass. Its relevant to everyone.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, the question isn't "Is Elizabeth Warren a Native American?" but "Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?" As to the question of whether that part of her is significant is entirely subjective. It's like asking "How many rituals and rules must you observe before you can be considered a Christian?" For everyone you ask you'll almost certainly get a different answer. For such a subjective thing as this, it's enough for me that someone considers that part of themselves significant for them.

    Likewise if someone considers that one Jewish relative they had a hundred generations back important, then it's not up to me to say they shouldn't consider it so. That person wouldn't be as Jewy as me, but then in all fairness there probably aren't any Orthodox Jews who would recognize my Jewishness at all.

    And let's be fair regarding the tribes' decision to not recognize Warren as Native American. They are perfectly free to do so, and in most ways I not only respect but sympathize with their reasoning, but at the end of the day they're still ultimately using a subject standard as well.
    May not have been the original question, but that was indeed my question in response to the other poster. Where's the line?
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    May not have been the original question, but that was indeed my question in response to the other poster. Where's the line?
    The line between being a full blooded Native American or not, or between being part Native American or not?

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The line between being a full blooded Native American or not, or between being part Native American or not?
    Either/or, or both.

    But you already said your opinion doesn't matter, so you are disqualified from answering.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Either/or, or both.
    The gigantic chunk of my post that you didn't highlight answers that.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    But you already said your opinion doesn't matter,
    No I didn't.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 12-14-14 at 04:35 PM.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Wrong. She is a us senator. She influences national legislation, not just mass. Its relevant to everyone.
    She is indeed one of one hundred. But none of us can vote for or against here. She has been voted by the people of MASS to represent that state and no other state. She either does it according to their wishes or they can replace her. It isn't up to someone in Georgia, me, to tell the people of MASS or any other state whom their senator should be. Just like other folks in the other states have no right to tell the people of Georgia whom our senators should be.

    They try, oh do they try. Something should be done about that. I would be in favor of a law that says if you can't vote for someone, then you can contribute to anyone running for that office.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Do you care if she lied about it, meaning that she was falsely seeking racial advantage, harming the credibility of the system of affirmative action while also presumably denying a spot to the next actual minority in line, for her own professional and financial benefit?
    I personally don't care, because I was already turned off by her habits of being a rabble rouser rather than either a team player or a negotiator for a compromised solution.
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