View Poll Results: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

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  • Absolutely not -- part of her family denies it.

    7 7.14%
  • Absolutely -- part of her family says it's true.

    1 1.02%
  • How the hell would I know?

    29 29.59%
  • I don't see why this is so unbelievable.

    7 7.14%
  • Who cares?

    64 65.31%
  • No, seriously, this is the least important issue in the history of anything ever.

    35 35.71%
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Thread: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. It's not even clear that it was a lie.
    2. A felony? Seriously?
    Theoritically there could be a felony involved, if she indicated on any official government form that she was a native american while knowing and believing entirely that said statement was incorrect. However, that would be ridiculously difficult to prove in ourt.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, do you even read the forms you sign? If she made the false claim on a federal application form, that is indeed a felony. And yes, pretty clearly a lie.
    No, not pretty clearly a lie. Pretty clearly wrong, but not necessarily a lie. Those forms typically indicate "To the best of your knowledge....". If she did not believe her statement to be false, or didn't realize/understand that you had to meet both of those criteria, then it's highly questionable that she'd be found guilty of a felony for giving false information on a federal form.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Not that I care about her ancestry either way - it's her ideas that suck - but I am curious about this statement. Do you believe that as long as a politician believes something is true then he/she isn't trying to deceive anyone?
    Of course a politician could be lying on another issue, but on a particular issue believing something is true, but it's not, that would not be lying. If the person is trying to deceive you then its lying.

    What if the person doesn't know and said something is true?
    Let's say that a person says the Yankees beat the White Sox but he doesn't know that is true. Later he finds out the Yankees did beat the White Sox. Is that person a liar?


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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Of course a politician could be lying on another issue, but on a particular issue believing something is true, but it's not, that would not be lying. If the person is trying to deceive you then its lying.

    What if the person doesn't know and said something is true?
    Let's say that a person says the Yankees beat the White Sox but he doesn't know that is true. Later he finds out the Yankees did beat the White Sox. Is that person a liar?
    Wait you said if she believes it, she isn't deceiving or trying to deceive anyone.

    Do you feel that same way about all politicians or any person - as long as he/she believes what he/she is saying is true, then there is no intent to deceive?
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    I don't care if a politician swears up and down they are any ethnicity...it has NOTHING to do with my decision process about voting for them.

    I don't care if they were a drunk, drug addict, addicted to pornography, had sex with table lamps and claimed they were abducted by Martians on several occasions.

    If I believe they are sane and are the candidate that shares the most political viewpoints with me...that is all I care about.


    And this nonsense about whether she lied or exaggerated or let the idea continue without stopping it is ridiculous.

    Hello people?

    Politicians lie through their teeth.

    Are you people really so staggeringly naive as to believe they don't?

    Either 'yes'...which means you are too stupid/ignorant to vote (IMO). Or 'no'...which leads me to ask 'what difference does this make?'


    I am neither rep nor dem (both parties are useless to me -two sides of the same pathetic coin)...but a person with an IQ of 22 can clearly see that this whole topic is little more then anti-Warren people trying to discredit her rather then an unbiased, rational person seeking the truth about an important topic.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Of course a politician could be lying on another issue, but on a particular issue believing something is true, but it's not, that would not be lying. If the person is trying to deceive you then its lying.

    What if the person doesn't know and said something is true?
    Let's say that a person says the Yankees beat the White Sox but he doesn't know that is true. Later he finds out the Yankees did beat the White Sox. Is that person a liar?
    Or lets get more accurate here, since from my understanding there were conflicting sources telling warren about her heritage.

    Scenario

    Last night, the White Sox beat the Yankees.

    [Person A] is told by someone they trust a lot that the Yankees beat the White Sox. They're also told by someone they trust less that the White Sox beat the Yankees.

    Since [Person A] holds significant trust in the person who told them the Yankees beat the white sox, they simply believe that one to be true and the other person to have just got the information wrong.

    [Person A] then goes and tells someone else that the Yankees beat the White Sox.

    Is [Person A] lying? Or were they simply wrong?

    (I need to keep this little scenario in my back pocket for other instances of "[person] lied!" that comes up on these forums)
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Heh, lying or just plain wrong. Either way she benefitted from it. The university benefitted from it and are in the unwelcome position of having to explain why they gave false info on their own grant and application forms to the feds. At the very least, all the ways she benefitted from the falsehood, whether lie or just plain wrong, should have been neutralized. The feds should have been repaid by the university and she should have been required to reimburse the university as well as losing any degrees that were issued while she was using the lie or false info.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wait you said if she believes it, she isn't deceiving or trying to deceive anyone.

    Do you feel that same way about all politicians or any person - as long as he/she believes what he/she is saying is true, then there is no intent to deceive?

    Absolutely, it doesn't matter who they are, Democrat, Republican or just anybody. If the object of the person is to deceive then its a lie. Or the person says something is true and does not really know if it was, that is also a lie even though it turns out he was correct.


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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Or lets get more accurate here, since from my understanding there were conflicting sources telling warren about her heritage.

    Scenario

    Last night, the White Sox beat the Yankees.

    [Person A] is told by someone they trust a lot that the Yankees beat the White Sox. They're also told by someone they trust less that the White Sox beat the Yankees.

    Since [Person A] holds significant trust in the person who told them the Yankees beat the white sox, they simply believe that one to be true and the other person to have just got the information wrong.

    [Person A] then goes and tells someone else that the Yankees beat the White Sox.

    Is [Person A] lying? Or were they simply wrong?

    (I need to keep this little scenario in my back pocket for other instances of "[person] lied!" that comes up on these forums)
    If [Person A] believes what he was told, then he is simply wrong. What he should have said is,"[Person B] told me the White Sox beat the Yankees." If a person repeats a lie, but doesn't know its a lie, that person is not a liar.


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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Then why'd you bring up the hypothetical about her being one? Why was it perfectly fine for you to muse how one set of people would act if she was consrevative, but you've got some kind of issue with me making a similar musing about a different set of people?



    Really? I've not seen you say any such thing in this thread till just now. Glad you finally take a stance. So exactly what evidence do you have that Warren:

    1. actively lied about being an indian
    2. that she did it "in order to fraudulently recieve preferential treatment"
    Elizabeth Warren Acknowledges Listing Herself As Native American To Harvard, Penn
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    I voted who cares. After Watergate, Iran Contra, and the lies about wmd's, I don't see how republicans can get upset over such a small issue like this.

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