View Poll Results: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

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  • Absolutely not -- part of her family denies it.

    7 7.14%
  • Absolutely -- part of her family says it's true.

    1 1.02%
  • How the hell would I know?

    29 29.59%
  • I don't see why this is so unbelievable.

    7 7.14%
  • Who cares?

    64 65.31%
  • No, seriously, this is the least important issue in the history of anything ever.

    35 35.71%
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It doesn't really matter whether it's true or not as long as she believes it's true. Which means she wasn't trying to deceive anyone.
    Not that I care about her ancestry either way - it's her ideas that suck - but I am curious about this statement. Do you believe that as long as a politician believes something is true then he/she isn't trying to deceive anyone?
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I didn't claim it, but that statement has been going around for a couple years.
    And is that a position you hold?

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I can't stand the vast majority of her political stances. I don't care if she is or isn't a Native American. I do care if she isn't, and knew she isn't, but said she was anyways. I've seen no clear cut evidence in which that is the case. As such...even if it was utterly proven she didn't have any native american descent, I still wouldn't care that she was "mistaken" if there's no clear evidence to show that it was anything other than a mistake.
    That makes sense. The evidence against her is that her story (and what she wrote on forms) changed back and forth - depending whether being white or being NA best served her personally. This is more about her past history as she had dropped the claim when she entered politics and never brought it up. It tells about her character, but then so many politicians hide, alter or exaggerate their past and duck things they said and signed in earlier years.

    There are people who envision some self identity that across time somehow just became how the people sees him/herself to the person's mind. If she had always claimed NA ancestry - even if she couldn't prove it or it proven false - would be less worth criticism than conveniently changing her portray back and forth to suit her wanted and goals. Is it a big deal? In my view, just another low integrity politician - like so many (I suspect most) are.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Not that I care about her ancestry either way - it's her ideas that suck - but I am curious about this statement. Do you believe that as long as a politician believes something is true then he/she isn't trying to deceive anyone?
    Actually, yes. In a larger sense if someone says something that isn't accurate, the line between deception and being wrong lies in the intent.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    I wouldn't say I really care but the answer is probably no.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I can't stand the vast majority of her political stances. I don't care if she is or isn't a Native American. I do care if she isn't, and knew she isn't, but said she was anyways. I've seen no clear cut evidence in which that is the case. As such...even if it was utterly proven she didn't have any native american descent, I still wouldn't care that she was "mistaken" if there's no clear evidence to show that it was anything other than a mistake.
    It was no mistake that she changed her story many times even after she "came to believe" (after age 30?) that she was Native American when it was to her benefit. It is not up to me to prove that her claims were false but it is up to her to prove them to be true.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    There is no amount of evidence that would ever get you to admit she lied so why bother arguing the point.
    Sure there would be. Any evidence of a clear cut admittal by her that she knew she really didn't have native american descent, or if there were statements from the family members she claims gave her the information that made her believe that saying they never made such claims, or something of the sort it'd likely sway me.

    All I've really seen to indicate she's purposefully and knowingly telling a falsehood is people pointing to the fact that at one point she claimed "white" on an official form instead of "native american". That isn't a clear indication of lying, as it can just as simply be explained as choosing to identify with the part of her heritage that was likely to be most beneficial at that time...as just one other explanation.

    Could claiming it at one point and not claiming it at another, based on what's beneficial to you, warrant condemnation or scorn? Arguably, yes. Nothing wrong with showing scorn there. But selectively choosing what part of your heritage to embrace is different than outright lying.

    I'm sorry that dealing with facts and what words actually means bothers you. If you want to be "done" with dealing with someone with more than an ounce of intellectual honesty and actually giving a damn about consistency and facts then that's fine...I can understand why you'd want to be "done" with such given your arguments thus far.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Elizabeth "Pocohontas" Warren is about as much an Indian as Ward "Sitting Bull" Churchill. You may remember that Churchill used to be a professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder. He claimed to be part Indian, too, but the leaders of the tribe he claimed to be affiliated with repeatedly denied he had anything to do with them. Eventually, he was fired.

    Not long after 9/11, Churchill echoed Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright, his fellow anti-American leftist and Mr. Obama's preacher of twenty years. Wright had said the attack meant "America, your chickens have come home to roost!" In Professor Churchill's version, the victims at the World Trade Center were "little Eichmanns." Like Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi official whose efficient scheduling of trains had maximized the supply of victims to the death camps, and who was hanged for it by Israel, in the Professor's view the financial workers in New York had gotten what they deserved for helping make the evil capitalist system work efficiently.

    It's not an easy thing to choose which America-hating leftist liar of those four--Churchill, Obama, Wright, or Warren--is most disgusting. Sort of like choosing whether you'd rather find a dead roach in your salad, or maggots.
    Are you seriously trying to smear Warren with Churchill's words? Could you be more jaw-droppingly dishonest?
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And is that a position you hold?
    Not sure, seeing as our president used a different name and status for college.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I .... Don't care?
    Exactly...what on Earth does this have to do with anything?

    What's next?

    Is she...a baseball fan? Secretly left handed? A fan of carbonated beverages?

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