View Poll Results: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

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  • Absolutely not -- part of her family denies it.

    7 7.14%
  • Absolutely -- part of her family says it's true.

    1 1.02%
  • How the hell would I know?

    29 29.59%
  • I don't see why this is so unbelievable.

    7 7.14%
  • Who cares?

    64 65.31%
  • No, seriously, this is the least important issue in the history of anything ever.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Then you know how I feel about stupid, unsubstantiated claims about lying about being Native American and claiming she profited from it.
    I didn't claim it, but that statement has been going around for a couple years.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    White folks talking about that one relative that was Cherokee or whatever from two hundred years ago always makes me laugh.

    Anyway, I couldn't care less. I don't see why it's important.

    But, if she's lying, well......that would be problematic.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I tend to check the "hispanic" box if I think it will make any difference. Truth is all 8 of my great grandparents came from Prussia, but I dare those racist bastards to question it.
    Hispanic, Prussian....same thing.
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    1. The article doesn't show any fact that she "lied" (A false statement with the deliberate intent to decieve, the same definition I used when speaking about the Bush Administration) about being a native american . For example, debunking her parents wedding story doesn't prove that the story she told wasn't what she was told and led to believe. Another example, an ASSUMPTION "something you did or said led the two schools in question to believe you met those requirements despite the fact you didn’t" is both not a fact nor does that assumption clearly prove a purposeful intent to decieve.

    2. The article doesn't show any fact that she isn't of native american descent. It calls into question some of the claims she's made in regards to his descent, it notes she wouldn't be federally recognized as one (which is different than having NA descent), and it implies guilt due to her not releasing personal information...but none of that actually is factual evidence against her claim of descent.

    The article is VERY light on fact and VERY big on assumptions, accusations, and opinion being masqueraded as facts.

    There's nothing in it to indicate that she:

    1. Is definitively not of any native american descent

    2. That she knew she was definitively not of any native american descent.

    3. That she purposefully stated information she knew was false for the intent of decieving people.

    There's a significant difference between the question "Is Elizabeth Warren a native american" and "Did Elizabeth Warren lie about being a native american".

    The answer to question one could be yes, and question two could still be answered "no".

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Those that like her political stand will never care that she "might have been mistaken" about being a special protected minority. These are the same folks that call pulling a 180 on a given policy position either a flip-flop or an evolved position - depending entirely upon whether they like the person's political slant. The bottom line is that while republicants constantly lie and/or flip-flop, demorats simply occasionally misspeak and/or evolve to a different policy position.
    Tough to tell in the post but you have to be using sarcasm

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    To just toss this in...

    For some Native Americans the only people they hate more than white people are people of certain other Native American tribes.

    Tell some Apache men that he is the same race as a Pueblo would be like calling a neo-nazi stormfronter a n*gger. While many/most Native Americans (the PC term is Indigeous American) are no different than most people (by that I mean they don't really care about race or ethnicity)​, for some a rich white Harvard lawyer-politician claiming she's Native American would be extremely offensive in the sense of trying to steal their heritage to herself. Most reservation tribal Native Americans don't have much in possessions, wealth or power. What they have is heritage pride (and for some victimhood).

    Did Warren's ancestors suffer in the Cherokee trail of tears? Did they fight for their land? Did they die in that fight? If not, her claiming that heritage is in a sense to steal that ancestry her ancestors never earned for her. For some Native Americans, ancestry also is quite important - again not "racial/ethnic" - but having been a member of the tribe who lived and died as one of the contributors to the tribe.

    An analogy would be those who claimed they served in the military and the person didn't is particularly offensive to those who did serve.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Those that like her political stand will never care that she "might have been mistaken" about being a special protected minority.
    I can't stand the vast majority of her political stances. I don't care if she is or isn't a Native American. I do care if she isn't, and knew she isn't, but said she was anyways. I've seen no clear cut evidence in which that is the case. As such...even if it was utterly proven she didn't have any native american descent, I still wouldn't care that she was "mistaken" if there's no clear evidence to show that it was anything other than a mistake.

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    1. The article doesn't show any fact that she "lied" (A false statement with the deliberate intent to decieve, the same definition I used when speaking about the Bush Administration) about being a native american . For example, debunking her parents wedding story doesn't prove that the story she told wasn't what she was told and led to believe. Another example, an ASSUMPTION "something you did or said led the two schools in question to believe you met those requirements despite the fact you didnít" is both not a fact nor does that assumption clearly prove a purposeful intent to decieve.

    2. The article doesn't show any fact that she isn't of native american descent. It calls into question some of the claims she's made in regards to his descent, it notes she wouldn't be federally recognized as one (which is different than having NA descent), and it implies guilt due to her not releasing personal information...but none of that actually is factual evidence against her claim of descent.

    The article is VERY light on fact and VERY big on assumptions, accusations, and opinion being masqueraded as facts.

    There's nothing in it to indicate that she:

    1. Is definitively not of any native american descent

    2. That she knew she was definitively not of any native american descent.

    3. That she purposefully stated information she knew was false for the intent of decieving people.

    There's a significant difference between the question "Is Elizabeth Warren a native american" and "Did Elizabeth Warren lie about being a native american".

    The answer to question one could be yes, and question two could still be answered "no".
    There is no amount of evidence that would ever get you to admit she lied so why bother arguing the point. Context matters, statements matter, withholding information matters, much of these are the same standards used in evidence in courts of law, but not good enough for you.

    Im done addressing you myopia

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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Hey, who's that dude in your avatar?
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    Re: Is Elizabeth Warren part Native American?

    Elizabeth "Pocohontas" Warren is about as much an Indian as Ward "Sitting Bull" Churchill. You may remember that Churchill used to be a professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder. He claimed to be part Indian, too, but the leaders of the tribe he claimed to be affiliated with repeatedly denied he had anything to do with them. Eventually, he was fired.

    Not long after 9/11, Churchill echoed Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright, his fellow anti-American leftist and Mr. Obama's preacher of twenty years. Wright had said the attack meant "America, your chickens have come home to roost!" In Professor Churchill's version, the victims at the World Trade Center were "little Eichmanns." Like Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi official whose efficient scheduling of trains had maximized the supply of victims to the death camps, and who was hanged for it by Israel, in the Professor's view the financial workers in New York had gotten what they deserved for helping make the evil capitalist system work efficiently.

    It's not an easy thing to choose which America-hating leftist liar of those four--Churchill, Obama, Wright, or Warren--is most disgusting. Sort of like choosing whether you'd rather find a dead roach in your salad, or maggots.

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