"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
The drone program is much worse. However, torture is still immoral an not helpful. We are the good guys, we need to ****ing act like it.
If there's a god, damn it she won't mind.
If there's a god, baby she won't mind.
Enhanced drone strikes that kill innocent people vs torturing innocent people? Neither is acceptable but since the information for the drone strikes isn't derived from torture I don't see it as being worse than torturing innocent people. I think its probably an invalid comparison.
Cheney probably had a lot more innocents tortured than were killed by drones....
"...the report's findings that up to 25% of detainees were innocents captured as a result of mistaken identity and that one such man, Gul Rahman, froze to death after being doused with water and chained to a wall....
"I'm more concerned with bad guys who got out and released than I am with a few that in fact were innocent.....I have no problem as long as we achieve our objective. And our objective is to get the guys who did 9/11 and it is to avoid another attack against the United States."" - Dick Cheney
Cheney is the antithesis of what this country was founded on....
"...In his 1765 Commentaries on the Laws of England, jurist William Blackstone wrote: "It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
This ratio, commonly called Blackstone's Formulation, drew from the Old Testament and has been a bedrock principle of Western jurisprudence, having been cited repeatedly by US Supreme Court justices.
Mr Cheney may or may not believe this formulation applies to US citizens, but when it comes to foreign detainees, it appears he takes a decidedly different view."
BBC News - Cheney: 'No problem' with detaining innocents
"Thank you Bush, for not dying during your two terms in office." - Jon Stewart
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