View Poll Results: Which is worse

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  • Drone strikes that result in innocent people getting killed in countries we are not at war with .

    18 42.86%
  • Enhanced interrogation/torture of terrorists?

    7 16.67%
  • Both are equally bad.

    15 35.71%
  • I do not know

    2 4.76%
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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I answered "Both are equally bad" only because we shouldn't do either.

    More innocent children have died as a result of drone strikes than members of ISIS were tortured via pornographic pictures. I guess it depends on where your outrage priorities are...and which party is commenting on the actions. The Democrats have done a fine job here in stirring up the outrage from their followers. I'm sure the next $40 million that the Democrats spend will be focused on ending the unnecessary killings of innocent children by the drone strikes.
    How many innocent Iraqis have died as a result of the Bush-led invasion of Iraq? How many, Tres?
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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I say that the drone strikes are worse, as the the second option forces me to assume that we KNOW that the people being tortured are terrorists.


    At least in that case, guilty people are the ones suffering, not innocents.
    To quote a cia official from the documentary "Manhunt". "Thats not torture, it uncomfortable, but torture? Come on!!"

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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    How many innocent Iraqis have died as a result of the Bush-led invasion of Iraq? How many, Tres?
    Yes im sure you blame america and bush for all the terrorists that killed innocent iraqis.

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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I fully concur with the narrow aperture througn which you are exposed to cognition. I suspect you are the one that the blind squirrel seeks. I could be wrong. I keep reading that for each actual drone targetted score, there are 28 collaterol scores or deaths of innocents including women and children. I keep forgetting it's "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out."
    Link? On the 28-1 ratio

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    Re: Which is worse?

    The use of drone strikes is justifiable, since they are conducted in self-defense and against targets that we cannot readily access with ground troops. Although they do kill innocent people (and obviously this should be minimized whenever possible), they are much safer for civilians than any other tool that we have at our disposal. Torture, on the other hand, is committed against those who no longer pose a threat to us and is not conducted in the battlefield, so it is therefore an unnecessary violation of the rights of those who are being tortured.
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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Link? On the 28-1 ratio
    Read the link
    41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes

    "A new analysis of the data available to the public about drone strikes, conducted by the human-rights group Reprieve, indicates that even when operators target specific individuals – the most focused effort of what Barack Obama calls “targeted killing” – they kill vastly more people than their targets, often needing to strike multiple times. Attempts to kill 41 men resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1,147 people, as of 24 November."

    41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes

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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which is worse

    Drone strikes that result in innocent people getting killed in countries we are not at war with .
    Enhanced interrogation/torture of terrorists?
    Both are equally bad.
    I do not know


    I am sure that by now everyone on this forum has heard about the biased partisan hack CIA report by liberal politicians unless they have been living under a rock for the past couple of days. It seems to me that if these same people going to be outraged over terrorists being water boarded and other ****. Then shouldn't they be even more outraged over innocent people getting killed in drone strikes in countries we are not even at war with? Because after the enhanced interrogation/torture is over the terrorist is still alive, the innocent people that were killed by the drone are not alive.
    I'm not sure either is worse.

    Both are negatives because they put us in a bad light...a bad light that we deserve.

    Yet both (or the drone strikes at least) may have a slight positive aspect (the drone strikes probably killed a few terrorists bent on harming us, I hope?).

    "Enhanced interrogation", on the other hand is far less likely to have a positive aspect....

    Have to go with that being the worst then...
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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm not sure either is worse.

    Both are negatives because they put us in a bad light...a bad light that we deserve.

    Yet both (or the drone strikes at least) may have a slight positive aspect (the drone strikes probably killed a few terrorists bent on harming us, I hope?).

    "Enhanced interrogation", on the other hand is far less likely to have a positive aspect....

    Have to go with that being the worst then...
    I would argue that enhanced interrogations are much better than being bombed. It can provide us with information than can save American lives and possibly lead to the capture of more terrorists. And eventually the individual may be released.However if you drop a bomb on his ass he is dead,the innocent civilians around him are dead and there is no intel extracted.If the individual bombed was not a terrorist then that is a innocent man dead.
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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You forgot about all the innocents that died under the hands of the Bush Administration with the invasion of Iraq.
    Oh you're one of those people

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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would argue that enhanced interrogations are much better than being bombed. It can provide us with information than can save American lives and possibly lead to the capture of more terrorists. And eventually the individual may be released.However if you drop a bomb on his ass he is dead,the innocent civilians around him are dead and there is no intel extracted.If the individual bombed was not a terrorist then that is a innocent man dead.
    If put that way, it does sound like you are correct.
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