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  • Drone strikes that result in innocent people getting killed in countries we are not at war with .

    18 42.86%
  • Enhanced interrogation/torture of terrorists?

    7 16.67%
  • Both are equally bad.

    15 35.71%
  • I do not know

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    Re: Which is worse?

    I voted that drone strikes are the worst, by far.

    And let's be clear - drones were developed by the military as a tool of war to be used in war zones where military personnel could not go safely and to enhance tracking of enemy forces. They were only armed, later in the process, in order to facilitate attacks on enemy forces where military personnel could not safely and competently go.

    Like many things in government, what once was a great tool of war is now being bastardized and rolled out for any number of other nefarious uses. Drones are now being used to spy on activity of citizens, not enemies. Drones are being sold to corporations and rich individuals for use beyond our control. I'm pretty sure waterboarding is not going to be used on the shoplifter at the local mall anytime soon or by corporations to fight corporate espionage.
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    Re: Which is worse?

    Ask John McCain if he would have rather been tortured during Vietnam or killed in a bombing.

    Having said that, the release of the torture report reminds me of a joke. Two laborers were digging a ditch and their supervisor just watched. One of the laborers put down his shovel and went to the supervisor and said, " why do we do all the work and you just watch and make more money?" The supervisor replied, "intelligence". When asked what he meant, the supervisor led the laborer to a nearby tree, put his hand on it and said hit my hand as hard as you can. The laborer hauled off and swung, the supervisor pulled his hand away and the laborer hit the tree has hard as he could. With his sore hand, the laborer went back to the other laborer. "What did he say," the second laborer asked, Intelligence the laborer replied. "What do you mean" the other guy asked. The first laborer put his hand over his face and said, "hit my hand as hard as you can."

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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Ask John McCain if he would have rather been tortured during Vietnam or killed in a bombing.

    Having said that, the release of the torture report reminds me of a joke. Two laborers were digging a ditch and their supervisor just watched. One of the laborers put down his shovel and went to the supervisor and said, " why do we do all the work and you just watch and make more money?" The supervisor replied, "intelligence". When asked what he meant, the supervisor led the laborer to a nearby tree, put his hand on it and said hit my hand as hard as you can. The laborer hauled off and swung, the supervisor pulled his hand away and the laborer hit the tree has hard as he could. With his sore hand, the laborer went back to the other laborer. "What did he say," the second laborer asked, Intelligence the laborer replied. "What do you mean" the other guy asked. The first laborer put his hand over his face and said, "hit my hand as hard as you can."

    Feinstine just put her hand on her face and said, hit my hand as hard as you can.
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    Re: Which is worse?

    "Both are equally bad."

    Mainly because they both perpetuate a cycle that causes continual complications for us. No matter if we are talking about a torture program or a drone strike program we end up creating hostility around the globe from our actions. No reasonable argument can be made that we instill enough fear in our handling of things to prevent actions against us or our interests. The harsh truth is no matter what justification we have for either program we end with the realization that our justifications are not a bullet proof vest from future aggression (of some degree by someone.) Since we know those future actions tend to happen, we have the completed cycle driven by those who suggest we go to new steps only to find those as well upset way too many around the globe as well.

    Besides, both programs are a step back from another argument. How we actually fight wars these days has the consequence of needing these other programs to handle "targets."
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    Re: Which is worse?

    Both are not equally bad. The drone strikes are worse due to the collateral damage and the subject doesnt walk away from a drone strike with some lost sleep

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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    When the drone strikes first began, I supported them and felt it was a good response to terrorists, especially the bombers that were in Pakistani enclaves and protected by the Pakistani ISI. Since the huge collaterol damage deaths have been made public, my feelings have changed. These collaterol damage targets are on TV when the event transpires so one cannot claim mechanical or technical error as is often done with aerial bombing that strikes civilian targets. I'm even against the aerial bombing because USA policy starts wars by bombing civilian infrastructures to create distress among the civilians hoping that will create anger against their allegedely evil rulers. We are the evil, no question about it. I suspect that this drone program is the major reason Obama doesn't want to prosecute torturors. Blowback from the next administration, eh? Never forget. "War is good business, and business is good."
    The use of drones and precision munitions is far more accurate and less collaterally damaging than ever before. If you believe "we are the evil" then you must have believed that your entire existence since bombings before were so less accurate. Looks like you are at an impasse and i suggest you withdraw your citizenship

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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    The use of drones and precision munitions is far more accurate and less collaterally damaging than ever before. If you believe "we are the evil" then you must have believed that your entire existence since bombings before were so less accurate. Looks like you are at an impasse and i suggest you withdraw your citizenship
    I fully concur with the narrow aperture througn which you are exposed to cognition. I suspect you are the one that the blind squirrel seeks. I could be wrong. I keep reading that for each actual drone targetted score, there are 28 collaterol scores or deaths of innocents including women and children. I keep forgetting it's "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out."

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    Re: Which is worse?

    I wonder if the intel that lead to the deaths of civilians came from those that were tortured.
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    Re: Which is worse?

    I say that the drone strikes are worse, as the the second option forces me to assume that we KNOW that the people being tortured are terrorists.


    At least in that case, guilty people are the ones suffering, not innocents.
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    Re: Which is worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which is worse

    Drone strikes that result in innocent people getting killed in countries we are not at war with .
    Enhanced interrogation/torture of terrorists?
    Both are equally bad.
    I do not know


    I am sure that by now everyone on this forum has heard about the biased partisan hack CIA report by liberal politicians unless they have been living under a rock for the past couple of days. It seems to me that if these same people going to be outraged over terrorists being water boarded and other ****. Then shouldn't they be even more outraged over innocent people getting killed in drone strikes in countries we are not even at war with? Because after the enhanced interrogation/torture is over the terrorist is still alive, the innocent people that were killed by the drone are not alive.
    You forgot about all the innocents that died under the hands of the Bush Administration with the invasion of Iraq.
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