View Poll Results: Is the Constitution relevant?

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  • Yes. Absolutely. All the time.

    25 67.57%
  • For the most lart.

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  • Depends on who's on the Supreme Court.

    3 8.11%
  • No, not usually, anymore. It keeps getting whittled away.

    3 8.11%
  • Phfft! We're only kidding ourselves. It's been irrelevant for at least 75 years.

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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    It is relevant only as source material. It has slowly been killed off and should be replaced with a new document that is structured to better secure the "rights" that the original claimed to protect. The current system has failed and needs replaced with a better one. Like every Democracy before the US, this democracy has fallen due to selfish greed, ignorance and just plain stupidity. Time for something new.
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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    Should it be? Yes. Realty? It has not been for much longer than 75 years now.
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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    A nation's constitution should absolutely be relevant when it comes to making Supreme Court decisions. As far as policy making, I think people are a little too attached to a constitution as a word for word document that cannot be changed under any circumstances. People rely too much on the constitution as a reason not to do something without understanding that constitutions can change and should change over time to fit the needs of different time periods. To claim that the United States of 2014 has the same needs as the United States of 1789 is nave. While overarching themes such as the Bill of Rights should always remain in the Constitution, there are simply some aspects of the Constitution that are not relevant or even make sense in the 21st century, including the electoral college and the senate, to name a few.

    But at the same time, while the U.S. fetishizes over the constitution the way Britain fetishizes over the monarchy, the Supreme Court is largely ignoring it. Since the OP, at least I think, is referring to how relevant the constitution is, and not how relevant it should be, I select option four.
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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    A nation's constitution should absolutely be relevant when it comes to making Supreme Court decisions. As far as policy making, I think people are a little too attached to a constitution as a word for word document that cannot be changed under any circumstances. People rely too much on the constitution as a reason not to do something without understanding that constitutions can change and should change over time to fit the needs of different time periods. To claim that the United States of 2014 has the same needs as the United States of 1789 is nave. While overarching themes such as the Bill of Rights should always remain in the Constitution, there are simply some aspects of the Constitution that are not relevant or even make sense in the 21st century, including the electoral college and the senate, to name a few.

    But at the same time, while the U.S. fetishizes over the constitution the way Britain fetishizes over the monarchy, the Supreme Court is largely ignoring it. Since the OP, at least I think, is referring to how relevant the constitution is, and not how relevant it should be, I select option four.
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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    To me, it is relevant. Seems politicians and supporters of both parties don't feel the same way unless it benefits what they support. Mainstreams use the constitution to champion their own causes but seem to disregard it when it comes to something they do not agree with.
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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's relevant to me, and it should be relevant to everyone. Sadly, I don't think it's always relevant to the SCOTUS. I think they just like to hear themselves talk.
    Strangely, I would absolutely love for a libertarian SCOTUS, but the thought of a libertarian president or something turns me off.

    I think when it comes to things like civil/social rights the libertarians happen to be 100% spot on every time.
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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    I don't like the choices, I guess I would say, for the most part it is relevant. Though not as fundamental scripture with rules written in stone like constitutionalists believe.

    It's a philosophical concept written on a piece of paper with sentimental value. We still have the ideals set forth from the Constitution deeply ingrained in our society. Those values are the very cornerstone of the majority of our justice system. Anybody who doesn't see that has never lived in another country or has never been born into a minority group. Half of the stuff that takes place in our society today could not happen in other countries in the same way. No other country IN THE WORLD, can say that they have matured as fast as the United States has on some very, very controversial issues. To start at nothing and then become a world power in less than 300 years, is absolutely amazing. It's only matched by Ancient Rome.
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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is the Constitution relevant?

    ETA: "lart" should be "part"... For the most part.
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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It's sad that this question is even being asked.
    But should be asked given where we are today with so many Constitutional concerns and government actions / activity.
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    Re: Is the Constitution relevant?

    A document made by an undiverse group of white male 17th century creationists relevant to 21st century multicultural society?

    Nope.

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