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Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

Should The Torture Report be Released Publicly?


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Wait, what? I think there are some countries around who could show what real torture is all about....not what our PC country's watered down version is.
Loud music and water discomfort? No wonder other countries laugh at us.

Best wait to see what the report says. Meantime, watch these...

 
Would GOP excuse-makers want the report released if parties were reversed?
We've seen how they've behaved with Darrel I$$A .

To answer your questions. I don't care who had the majority back then, Who the POTUS was, etc. This type of report will do nothing but bring more resentment towards the US. I believe as many agencies and other govt has said it will only increase the risk for violence. Congress should be able and has enacted changes in the way the CIA and military operates.

So no, the report should not be made public.
 
To answer your questions. I don't care who had the majority back then, Who the POTUS was, etc. This type of report will do nothing but bring more resentment towards the US. I believe as many agencies and other govt has said it will only increase the risk for violence. Congress should be able and has enacted changes in the way the CIA and military operates.

So no, the report should not be made public.

I think this is by design from our community organizer/POTUS.
He has been apologetic from day one of his tenure.
 
Loose lips sink ships. I can't imagine how releasing a report like this would advance the nation.

I dunno. Transparancy. Damned if you don't. Damned if you do.

But what purpose, besides political gain, does it serve? At what cost?

Wanna throw Dick Cheney in jail? He's got one foot in the grave already. Leave him alone. Picking at scabs.
 
One of the last Leftist's final attempts to throw the Right under the bus.

There is so much to throw under, it may be time for a bigger bus.

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Mornin' CPW. :2wave: It appears All Branches of government were informed that the release of this report more than likely will bring an armed response from extremists. It appears Feinstein and the Left are more concerned about the Humiliation part. Not to worried about any deaths of Americans overseas they will cause.

Do you think American kidnappings will go up?


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We can all appreciate that the anger comes when the truth is revealed, but the actions that gave rise to the revelations occurred years ago. The anger is not about the revelation, its about the actions that happened in the first place. Any "violence" that comes from revelation is about the ACTIONS not the revelation.

The whole "torture" program was an abomination. We should all be ashamed of our collective hypocrisy. We should be praying, at this time, for understanding and mercy and the wisdom that we have learned from our misguided past. Its our fault; its time to tell the truth and deal with the consequences like the brave Americans we are suppose to be.

I saw this somewhere, it seems fitting: "Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, make a different choice."
 
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When you were waterboarded you knew they weren't going to kill you. A prisoner does not have that sense of security. You probably were not subjected to it as long as actual prisoners were either.

Any POW or detainee would know that they would not be killed... in the hands of the US. It just doesn't happen and our enemies know this well. That is why our enemies are hard to break, and refuse to talk. Unlike ISIS, and many countries, we do not kill or threaten to kill POW's or even detainees and given this knowledge it is more difficult to get information.

As for what I went through and what others like me did as well, I find it enlightening how much those that have not seem to know so much about it. Not just what is and isn't torture, but to what level we were subjected to it - just amazing and enlightening. The amount of inherent knowledge that some people are born with just boggles the mind.
 
As with every negative GOP issue/scenario, the messaging war has begun.

Begun with deflection of whether waterboarding and sleep deprivation really are torture.
And if McCain's comments on torture are brought up, his own GOP will trash him.

Would a GOP Senate have released this report on a GOP administration?
Are squeamish DEMs up for the latest GOP messaging war, something GOPs live for ?
 
Extreme sleep deprivation is extreme torture that has driven people to insanity, self harm and suicide. The definition of torture does not require long term lasting effects.

In my view, all torturers should be put on trial for their crimes. If a jury accepts their "ticking timebomb" justifications* as legitimate then they will be acquitted.

*"I was only following orders" is not a legitimate justification

How much do you actually know. Seriously? Do you know if they are given medical exams? Do you know if there are limits set as to what can and cannot be done that are supervised by medical personnel?

Before people cry foul and call for condemnation, or especially prosecution, I would suggest that they find out the truth. Not the hyper-partisan kumbaya crap that is spewed about. But the actual truth.

Using the "I was just following orders - is not an excuse" rant is ridiculous, by the way. Maybe you should take a look at the UCMJ before trotting that one out again.
 
Your experience was totally different as you knew they would not drown you.

The point of waterboarding is not the pain it inflicts. It is to cause the person to fear for their life.

It is also effective if one wishes to not leave obvious remnants on the victim's body of the torture (like beatings often do).

People that endure it, know that they will not drown - however, the body still reacts as though you are drowning. Which puts stress on the brain which gets the person to answer questions to prevent it happening again.

It is not torture.

This technique was rarely used and only a very few times on a very few people that had extremely high value information. That's how Obama was able to "get Osama" for goodness sake.

The US does not use, and has not used, these techniques on a regular basis or in normal practice. However, I am very comfortable knowing that we have this technique available to us if and when the circumstances require it.
 
I think this is by design from our community organizer/POTUS.
He has been apologetic from day one of his tenure.

Agreed, and at times it saddens me that Obama has done so.
 
Shouldn't have started torturing people in the first place. I mean, torture? How`frickin' third-world can you get?

Sometimes bad things need to happen to bad people. Waterboarding and sleep deprivation sound like good tools to use against the bad guys.
 
Would GOP excuse-makers want the report released if parties were reversed?
We've seen how they've behaved with Darrel I$$A .

No. People are going to be killed because of this. When they are killed I will pray for 100-fold retribution against the Democratic scum who did this.
 
No. People are going to be killed because of this. When they are killed I will pray for 100-fold retribution against the Democratic scum who did this.

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and to provide for it." --Patrick Henry

Why do you not want the world to know the truth?
 
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and to provide for it." --Patrick Henry

Why do you not want the world to know the truth?

Did I not just tell you? People will be killed because of this. The ones who release this, if deaths occur, need to be held to account. God I hate Democrats.
 
Did I not just tell you? People will be killed because of this. The ones who release this, if deaths occur, need to be held to account.
The usual fear-mongering promulgated by embarrassed government hacks.
This report won't contain much, if any new info., so it's release is political.
Kinda like those Benghazi hearings.
Politicians being politicians.:shrug:

God I hate Democrats.
Right backatcha, slick.
 
Did I not just tell you? People will be killed because of this. The ones who release this, if deaths occur, need to be held to account. God I hate Democrats.

Then maybe in the future neocons will think twice before breaking the GD law just because they grew up watching John Wayne movies and have some effed up idea that they can do whatever the hell they want because people like you enable their illegal and immoral behaviors.
 
Then maybe in the future neocons will think twice before breaking the GD law just because they grew up watching John Wayne movies and have some effed up idea that they can do whatever the hell they want because people like you enable their illegal and immoral behaviors.

You actually do not care that innocent people will be killed do you?
 
The usual fear-mongering promulgated by embarrassed government hacks.
This report won't contain much, if any new info., so it's release is political.
Kinda like those Benghazi hearings.
Politicians being politicians.:shrug:


Right backatcha, slick.

Right. You are another who really does not care that people will be killed because of this. Let the first be the politician who releases it. Then the ones who supported her, and ultimately, people like you.
 
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Right. You are another who really does not care that people will be killed because of this.
And you are another one who believes everything gov't apparatchiks tell you.

Let the first be the politician who releases it. Then the ones who supported her. and ultimately, people like you.
Geez, stop hyperventilating.
I think re-education camps would do the job.
 
You actually do not care that innocent people will be killed do you?

And you put the veritis in your username as irony intentionally or otherwise. If people are killed it will be because of what George Bush authorized, not that I expect people to be killed. Guess what--they already know we treat them like rabid dogs. You just do not want to confront the truth that they already know--the US government does not follow its own laws and the people have no control over it, and that democracy has completely and utterly failed as a result.
 
And you put the veritis in your username as irony intentionally or otherwise. If people are killed it will be because of what George Bush authorized, not that I expect people to be killed. Guess what--they already know we treat them like rabid dogs. You just do not want to confront the truth that they already know--the US government does not follow its own laws and the people have no control over it, and that democracy has completely and utterly failed as a result.

From time to time I explain where Veritis comes from. Not tonight and not for someone eager for innocent blood to be spilled so that political points might be gained. Some here are liars. And some are bloodthirsty. I place you in the second camp. I only wish that if there are victims you will be among them.
 
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