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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If the people of Middle East had any sense, they would do everything in their power to make sure the oil stays underground.
    If they had any sense, they'd pump it, use the revenue to improve themselves, and attempt to join the 21st Century. If they don't pump it, people will just brush them aside and take it anyway.

    Of course, it seems quite clear they don't have any sense, so whatever happens, evolution is going to pay them a visit.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That's cute, but doesn't apply. Pretty hypocritical for a hard core liberal to play that card.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Let's not get melodramatic about torture. Considering the ramifications, I don't think simple innocents are being grabbed in the middle of the night and tortured.

    As such, I really have no way of responding to your post.
    If there's real evidence that they're guilty of something then a trial should be open a shut. I don't think that our government should be torturing people that by international human rights standards are innocent until proven guilty. It's cowardly and lazy.




    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    How about this?

    UK troops reported the USA troops for torturing..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Jp-IXu93M

    Or maybe some of you would rather not watch this??
    I have absolutely no idea what your point is. I already said I'm against torture.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And some of the people sent to Guantanamo might have actually been innocent people wrongly imprisioned.
    How would we know?..

    Was there a list of their names..and their alleged crimes??

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    They/We, are perfectly willing to pay good money for those energy products, and the people can wipe their butts with it, or whatever they want to do. However, screw with that supply, and that threatens the people of the world, so get ready to be pounded into dust. It's all pretty simple.
    I agree with this.
    However, most ME villains are more than happy to sell their oil.
    Sadaam and Qaddafi were prime examples.
    How does China manage to get their oil without engaging in endless ME warfare?

    Once the world has transitioned farther from the basic energy supplies the ME has, the people will be left to eliminate themselves from the earth, one battle rooted in ancient insults after another.
    I'm not happy about this dystopian future for the ME, but for the USA's sake, I hope you are right.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    That's cute, but doesn't apply. Pretty hypocritical for a hard core liberal to play that card.
    I don't think any American can accept the use of torture.

    How can American values justify torture.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Let's not get melodramatic about torture. Considering the ramifications, I don't think simple innocents are being grabbed in the middle of the night and tortured....
    "Maher Arar (Arabic: ماهر عرار) (born 1970) is a telecommunications engineer with dual Syrian and Canadian citizenship who has resided in Canada since 1987. Arar's story is frequently referred to as "extraordinary rendition" but the US government insisted it was a case of deportation.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

    Arar was detained during a layover at John F. Kennedy International Airport in September 2002 on his way home to Canada from a family vacation in Tunis.[6] He was held without charges in solitary confinement in the United States for nearly two weeks, questioned, and denied meaningful access to a lawyer.[6] The US government suspected him of being a member of Al Qaeda and deported him, not to Canada, his current home and the passport on which he was travelling, but to Syria, even though its government is known to use torture.[7] He was detained in Syria for almost a year, during which time he was tortured, according to the findings of a commission of inquiry ordered by the Canadian government, until his release to Canada. The Syrian government later stated that Arar was "completely innocent."[8][9] A Canadian commission publicly cleared Arar of any links to terrorism, and the government of Canada later settled out of court with Arar. He received C$10.5 million and Prime Minister Stephen Harper formally apologized to Arar for Canada's role in his "terrible ordeal"..."


    Now you can't claim ignorance.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Two ways:

    1) cowardice

    and/or 2) the ends justify the means.
    Does domination..humiliation...and maybe eventual death..meted out on helpless prisoners..nude..abused..Justify the means!!

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If there's real evidence that they're guilty of something then a trial should be open a shut. I don't think that our government should be torturing people that by international human rights standards are innocent until proven guilty. It's cowardly and lazy.

    I have absolutely no idea what your point is. I already said I'm against torture.

    Of course. All the above is true. However, there are exceptions where expediency is critical. I have no problem with those very rare but expedient circumstances being met with ends that justify the means.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If there's real evidence that they're guilty of something then a trial should be open a shut. I don't think that our government should be torturing people that by international human rights standards are innocent until proven guilty. It's cowardly and lazy.


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    Exactly.
    The reason for these non-trials seems to be......."any information made public in a trial would irreparably damage our national security..."
    National security.....the last refuge of scoundrels.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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