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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Better yet, don't want to get tortured? Don't F with the U.S.. Problem solved.
    Torture is used to find out if the person even did anything wrong in the first place. We're a first world country that should be respecting human rights. There was no trial and torture of human beings that they were too lazy to convict. You may want that done in your name but I don't.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I've been waterboarded and a few other interrogation techniques, as were all guys that would be potentially put in that position to understand what it felt like and how to not let it break you. Now... it was not fun, but it was not torcher either.

    This is nothing but a political attack on the GOP and BW Bush. Nothing more than that.

    And by doing so, the Democrats in the Senate are putting our military, our civilians overseas, and even civilians here at home in grave danger.

    This is as close to treason as I have seen in my lifetime done by any politician in any political party. If they think this will garner them power or prestige, they are mistaken. If they think this will garner support from the military, they are grossly mistaken. If they think that this will help them politically at home, they are mentally unbalanced. And, if they think this will help us overseas in our war against terrorism and provide protection from further attacks... well...

    IF this report is released, charges should be brought against those that do. Just like they are wanting to do to Edward Snowden. Because this is worse. These Senators took an oath to protect and defend, not attack and endanger.
    Your experience was totally different as you knew they would not drown you.

    The point of waterboarding is not the pain it inflicts. It is to cause the person to fear for their life.

    It is also effective if one wishes to not leave obvious remnants on the victim's body of the torture (like beatings often do).

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And you don't think that maybe the people living in the countries we F-up have had enough of being F-ed with?
    Apparently not.

    Consider the Middle East (Iraq, Iran, etc.) I don't think for a second that the majority of people in the world give a crap about those people trying so desperately to remove themselves from the gene pool. For the "West" (or all the others not in the ME), it's all about the energy found in those regions the world needs right now to survive and feed itself. They/We, are perfectly willing to pay good money for those energy products, and the people can wipe their butts with it, or whatever they want to do. However, screw with that supply, and that threatens the people of the world, so get ready to be pounded into dust. It's all pretty simple.

    Once the world has transitioned farther from the basic energy supplies the ME has, the people will be left to eliminate themselves from the earth, one battle rooted in ancient insults after another.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    Does Guantanamo still exist??
    Yes, it does.
    I saw a news blurb yesterday that a couple of detainees were being released after 12 years.
    I've heard for years that Guantanamo holds the worst of the worst terrorists.
    These alleged terrorists were held, never charged then released after TWELVE YEARS.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Torture is used to find out if the person even did anything wrong in the first place. We're a first world country that should be respecting human rights. There was no trial and torture of human beings that they were too lazy to convict. You may want that done in your name but I don't.
    How about this?

    UK troops reported the USA troops for torturing..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Jp-IXu93M

    Or maybe some of you would rather not watch this??

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Apparently not.

    Consider the Middle East (Iraq, Iran, etc.) I don't think for a second that the majority of people in the world give a crap about those people trying so desperately to remove themselves from the gene pool. For the "West" (or all the others not in the ME), it's all about the energy found in those regions the world needs right now to survive and feed itself. They/We, are perfectly willing to pay good money for those energy products, and the people can wipe their butts with it, or whatever they want to do. However, screw with that supply, and that threatens the people of the world, so get ready to be pounded into dust. It's all pretty simple.

    Once the world has transitioned farther from the basic energy supplies the ME has, the people will be left to eliminate themselves from the earth, one battle rooted in ancient insults after another.
    If the people of Middle East had any sense, they would do everything in their power to make sure the oil stays underground.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No. Don't release it. I want results and I have no interest in how they are achieved. The last thing anyone needs is a bunch of whiners complaining. Good, bad, or indifferent, there are some things I don't need to know. I'm perfectly satisfied to leave the "how" to the experts.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Yes, it does.
    I saw a news blurb yesterday that a couple of detainees were being released after 12 years.
    I've heard for years that Guantanamo holds the worst of the worst terrorists.
    These alleged terrorists were held, never charged then released after TWELVE YEARS.
    And some of the people sent to Guantanamo might have actually been innocent people wrongly imprisioned.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Torture is used to find out if the person even did anything wrong in the first place. We're a first world country that should be respecting human rights. There was no trial and torture of human beings that they were too lazy to convict. You may want that done in your name but I don't.
    Let's not get melodramatic about torture. Considering the ramifications, I don't think simple innocents are being grabbed in the middle of the night and tortured.

    As such, I really have no way of responding to your post.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And some of the people sent to Guantanamo might have actually been innocent people wrongly imprisioned.
    That is the problem.
    As with many, if not most, national security operations, pesky human rights are ignored in pursuit of some fuzzy "greater good".
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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