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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If there is a question of veracity involved, the publication might be a problem and should be held back for a few months. Maybe marking and explaining the problems and open questions would be enough. But there can be no question that we need to know exactly what happened.
    Heya Jog. Maybe, the Demos talking to some live witnesses might help too.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm sorry - what wasn't a confrontation? The Korean war?
    Torture in the United States includes documented and alleged cases of torture both inside the United States and outside its borders by U.S. government personnel. This includes the U.S. government, fifty U.S. state and territorial governments, 3,033 county, and thousands of municipal governments, all of which have their own independent judicial systems. All are subject to the U.S. Constitution and their own state constitutions...

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That's pretty much it. I've seen some pretty bad "purple nurple's" back in the day and we never called that torture. Given the choice of guys walking into the room with a gallon of water and a dish towel or coming in with a car battery and jumper cables I'll take the water every time.
    There were "deaths" associated with this torture and this report allegedly acknowledges that. Ergo, what you say is either from lack of information or ignorance or lying. I can't tell which. I am, like beaudreaux, a graduate of E & E, but it's not the same as this report will acknowledge. Why do you think they would be fightning it if it was just about lightweight torture. Ask yourself why the CIA had these people tortured at "black sites" in foreign countries, if it is so harmless?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning/afternoon Ocean,

    I'm generally in agreement with you on most matters but I have to question your faith in/belief that government has unquestioned "expertise". Only through active public oversight and accountability do we ensure that our collective reputations aren't sullied by the corruptions of a few with power.
    A good day to you CJ. I am most certainly painting with a broader brush in my statement than I would apply if held to specifics. I am always suspect of unaccountable government power, and that would apply to the military as well. However, for clarification, "leave it to experts" to me include considerations for accountability, propriety, and other reasonable/rational considerations.

    I think there is a fine line between the need to know, and the need to not know.

    What I do know is the line facing the need to know usually ends up being a few steps behind where we end up standing. IMO, more effect can be generated from what our detractors think we will do, than what they learn we will do.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    One of the last Leftist's final attempts to throw the Right under the bus.
    If your actions are so cowardly that you're thrown under the bus by the world knowing about them, you deserve everything you get. Don't like people getting upset that you tortured people? Don't torture people.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Waterboarding and sleep deprivation is not torcher. I have endured it - it is not torcher. There are no long lasting effects, just short term discomfort to break down resistance to questioning.

    Maybe you will change your mind when an attack happens that effects your own family and friends. I would hope you would.
    As a matter of principle I must condemn any act of torture, according to the terms of Geneva convention.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    'Repoooooort!'

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    Last edited by DA60; 12-08-14 at 02:26 PM.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If your actions are so cowardly that you're thrown under the bus by the world knowing about them, you deserve everything you get. Don't like people getting upset that you tortured people? Don't torture people.
    Better yet, don't want to get tortured? Don't F with the U.S.. Problem solved.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Better yet, don't want to get tortured? Don't F with the U.S.. Problem solved.
    That is a bold statement since we as a country have a history of F-ing around with other countries.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    That is a bold statement since we as a country have a history of F-ing around with other countries.
    Yes it is a bold statement, and yes we do have a history of F-ing around with other countries. Some countries need F-ing with, and some, in hindsight, we should have left alone. That doesn't change the truth behind my statement.

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