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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    And I will say the same. I am grateful that you will never be in a position to sell out the integrity and morality that has made America great.
    What morality are u speaking of?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Where did I say that Americans use the exact torture as groups like ISIS? Please, humor me, because that is no where close that what I had written. I had asked you if you'd be okay with ISIS using the same torture methods as the American military used under Bush. Apart from the usual 'non-torture' (as YOU say) of water boarding and sleep deprivation, I ask again would YOU be okay with ISIS doing the following to American soldiers (including family members):



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    Please answer my question and please stop deflecting.
    I will be glad to answer you without deflecting.

    First, let me repeat that I do not feel that waterboarding or sleep deprivation are torture.

    Second, I will say that my posts prior to this one were written prior to the report being released, and that I also posted a list of things that would be torture (prior to the report being released) which were included in the report as being done by CIA agents that did not comply with the law and the or the policy or the knowledge of senior administration officials.

    Now, for your non-deflecting answer - Yes. If my kids (24 and 21 y/o boys) had joined the military and chose to be put in a position to where they could be potentially subjected to such interrogation as waterboarding or sleep deprivation, they would have knowingly volunteered to do so... just as I did. That is why we were trained by being subjected to such techniques.

    If my kids were civilians, then no, but as members of the military, they would have volunteered to be exposed to such things, and I would support that choice of theirs.

    As for the specific items in the report that were in fact torture, then my answer would be no, even if my boys were in the military.

    I hope that answers your question. Of not, I would be happy to try again, out of the respect that I have for you.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I will be glad to answer you without deflecting.

    First, let me repeat that I do not feel that waterboarding or sleep deprivation are torture.

    Second, I will say that my posts prior to this one were written prior to the report being released, and that I also posted a list of things that would be torture (prior to the report being released) which were included in the report as being done by CIA agents that did not comply with the law and the or the policy or the knowledge of senior administration officials.

    Now, for your non-deflecting answer - Yes. If my kids (24 and 21 y/o boys) had joined the military and chose to be put in a position to where they could be potentially subjected to such interrogation as waterboarding or sleep deprivation, they would have knowingly volunteered to do so... just as I did. That is why we were trained by being subjected to such techniques.

    If my kids were civilians, then no, but as members of the military, they would have volunteered to be exposed to such things, and I would support that choice of theirs.

    As for the specific items in the report that were in fact torture, then my answer would be no, even if my boys were in the military.

    I hope that answers your question. Of not, I would be happy to try again, out of the respect that I have for you.
    I appreciate your honesty. Though I disagree about your opinion of waterboarding as not being a form of torture, I respect your opinion. Thank you.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    What morality are u speaking of?
    From your previous response...it was already obvious that you don't have a clue. Its not something that I can educate you about.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    From your previous response...it was already obvious that you don't have a clue. Its not something that I can educate you about.
    So you have nothing. Figures. You speak without a basis of knowledge and your opinions are uneducated and worthless

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' German Guy. So are you saying you would not torture a terrorist in order to save a multitude of people?
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Gozales and Rummy too.
    If we are not going to prosecute them they must be pardoned to acknowledge the fact that crimes were committed.
    Doing nothing indicates tacit complicity with these criminals.
    But then no crimes whatsoever were committed. Under the existing law at time, the enhanced interrogations were entirely legal,

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    What the report does not say is that the prisoner who died of hypothermia was on a hunger strike also. His lack of nutrition obviously weakened him prior to his hypothermia.

    Im sorry but to equate these acts with "torcher" is laughable. Torcher is cutting, shocking, mutilation, and other inducements of intense pain.

    Sleep deprivation, loud music, uncomfortable sitting or standing. These things are merely a nuisance, causing such aggravation and discomfort they induce compliance. The mere mention of these acts in the same breath as "torture" is an insult to any one of our service men who were subjected to actual torcher. Dont water down the meaning of the word. It devalues it.

    Waterboarding i would characterize as a form of torture. I accept that and do not care. I say waterboard them all if it leads to the exposure of future attacks or capture/kill of accomplices.
    Agreed. And when it was going one, Pelosi and Feinstein were briefed and were quite okay with it. The attitude at the time was: "Whatever it takes". We had just had 3000 Americans murdered in the space of a few hours.....with threats of more attacks....not to mention some nut job mailing anthrax around the country.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    But then no crimes whatsoever were committed. Under the existing law at time, the enhanced interrogations were entirely legal,
    let me make sure i understand what you are telling us

    that because john yoo wrote the torture opinion memos as a DOJ representative, indicating enhanced interrogation was not really torture, that document provides legal cover for those who sanctioned the torture?
    of course, if you were referring to some other provision which authorized torture, please share that
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let me make sure i understand what you are telling us

    that because john yoo wrote the torture opinion memos as a DOJ representative, indicating enhanced interrogation was not really torture, that document provides legal cover for those who sanctioned the torture?
    of course, if you were referring to some other provision which authorized torture, please share that
    Get back to me when you have something a bit more then conjecture.

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