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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Thata what the report read. You saw torture in a headline and went off screaming "TORTURERS!!! Get em!!" Mission accomplished by the media i guess.

    But the reality is one guy was waterboarded and he deserved it.
    One guy was waterboarded? Don't make me google...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    And why cant you say if one life is saved? Thats exactly what happened.
    I can say what I like, and you can do whatever you see needful, but torture is done by people who have lived all their lives on the other side of the line. People who grew up on the civilized side and crossed back over that line don't get to tell anyone about what's right and proper. No principles, no morality, no goddamn sense of right and wrong, all adds up to no respect. And don't bother telling me that 'respect' doesn't matter- I already see that.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Are you more repulsed by the enhanced interrorgations then you are by the murder of 3000 innocent Americans?
    I'm more repulsed that thousands more Americans died fighting a pointless war for a country that had already decided to abandon its morals.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I'm more repulsed that thousands more Americans died fighting a pointless war for a country that had already decided to abandon its morals.
    It's CORPORATE. There's all those resources, commodoties, pipelines, OIL, etc. You have to honor your committments to the KStreet lobbyists, not the citizen voters and taxpayers. Pointless, never, horse puckey. It's the same old story for the World's largest weapons dealers, "War is good business, and business is good." Largest Industry in the USA, don't ya' know? I mean, wars are being ginned up as we speak and it's done in your name, not as profitable weapons marketing.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    One guy was waterboarded? Don't make me google...



    I can say what I like, and you can do whatever you see needful, but torture is done by people who have lived all their lives on the other side of the line. People who grew up on the civilized side and crossed back over that line don't get to tell anyone about what's right and proper. No principles, no morality, no goddamn sense of right and wrong, all adds up to no respect. And don't bother telling me that 'respect' doesn't matter- I already see that.
    One was in the report that you so value and believe every word of. Ksm. 184 times. People should thank the interrogators for getting the intel out of the bad guys.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    One was in the report that you so value and believe every word of. Ksm. 184 times. People should thank the interrogators for getting the intel out of the bad guys.
    Back off, jack. Don't pull this bull****. Know what that is? That's you giving up. That's you bailing on the idea of discussing the subject and playing juvenile word games to impress the mass of lurkers you imagine are following this thread and hanging on your every word. Hell, I haven't even seen the report.
    As I said, if you advocate torture you give up the right to tell anyone anything about right or wrong. If there's nothing you wouldn't do because it's wrong or nothing you wouldn't give up to be right, you're on the other side of the line and deserve the disrespect you get.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Other than it's a stated goal of their religion, and that it's perfectly acceptable in their religion to kill off all the males of the society they invade / conquer.

    Think again as to the civil unrest incidences in the EU countries that caused by larger scale Muslim rioting. Think again as to how the radicalism is being spread from Mosque to Mosque even in this country.

    Imminent threat? Quite possibly. Immediate threat? Not so much, unless you consider 9/11 as only the opening salvo of a much longer time context in which they are viewing this conflict.

    Are you really so sure that it's something the western nations can afford to ignore?
    Where is it a stated goal of their religion? It may be a stated goal of some extremists but that ain't the same thing.

    As for the violence in the Qu'ran you kind of have to remember that the book was written 1500 years ago in a violent world. The Bible is similarly violent.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

    Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

    The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

    What say ye?
    The policy if systematic torture by the US was the worst and most outrageous mistake America made since 1945.

    It is a disgrace for the country and massively damaged US and Western interests. As citizen of a NATO country and US ally, I feel deeply ashamed for these US policies.

    Even the least bit about it must be made public, and those who broke law -- both US law, but especially also international human right standards the US too have signed and rhetorically claim to uphold on the world stage -- must be brought on trial and find punishment for their deeds.

    Nobody who supports these policies has the slightest right to use the words "freedom", "democracy" or "justice" in the same sentence, because it is obvious that he or she does not have even the slightest idea what they mean.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Or if bo and co didnt grand stand. There was no point in this release other than to cause trouble. Thanks libs, hope yall are satisfied when a protest breaks out and people are killed
    I Love it.....GWB and the right-wing crowd engage in immoral activity that sells out America's integrity...and "libs" are the bad guys because we expose their behavior. Only in the warped minds of "Conservative" Americans.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    The policy if systematic torture by the US was the worst and most outrageous mistake America made since 1945.

    It is a disgrace for the country and massively damaged US and Western interests. As citizen of a NATO country and US ally, I feel deeply ashamed for these US policies.

    Even the least bit about it must be made public, and those who broke law -- both US law, but especially also international human right standards the US too have signed and rhetorically claim to uphold on the world stage -- must be brought on trial and find punishment for their deeds.

    Nobody who supports these policies has the slightest right to use the words "freedom", "democracy" or "justice" in the same sentence, because it is obvious that he or she does not have even the slightest idea what they mean.

    Mornin' German Guy. So are you saying you would not torture a terrorist in order to save a multitude of people?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I Love it.....GWB and the right-wing crowd engage in immoral activity that sells out America's integrity...and "libs" are the bad guys because we expose their behavior. Only in the warped minds of "Conservative" Americans.
    So are you saying you would not torture a terrorist to save many lives?

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