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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    information is the most easily traded resource; the idea that foreigners know things about our governments' activities that we are kept in the dark about is unsupportable at best.
    The people who see the bodies and destruction from drone attacks know what happened. The families and friends of the people who are disappeared by the USA have a pretty good idea of what is happening to them. Word gets around.

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    great time for the repubs to blow something up and then blame it on the Obama administration for letting out the report and you don't even have to hurt anyone!!! just and old abandoned building owned by the government I would not be surprised these days with all the hate against him

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If you really believe that this is a battle that we cannot win, I suggest that you save time and start adopting Sharia law now, rather than later. Get used to being beheaded for not being Muslim or believing in Islam.

    We can see the throes of this in the heavily Muslim immigrated EU countries, such as France, Germany and the UK. They've got a hell of a problem in that this Islamic radicalism is not only present in the first generation immigrants, it's also starting to show up in the second generation of immigrants, which have not really assimilated into the local culture as expected and depended on.

    The Islamic extremists's stated goal is to spread Islam to all countries, and make it the majority religion in all countries.

    What's the most pragmatic response to the threat of being killed by Islamic extremists?
    What's the most pragmatic response to the threat of displacing the culture of all non-Islamic countries?
    Sorry, The possibility of Islamists coming to the USA and imposing their religion and laws on us is so unlikely that basing policy decisions on that notion is nothing but irrational paranoia. It is much more likely that we will become a Christian fascist theocracy in response to that insane paranoia. We're already dealing with people, many of them in power, who want to ban certain religions, legalize torture, allow long term incarceration of people without due process, support unlimited government surveillance, and want to remain engaged in an endless undeclared war with a method of fighting (terrorism) rather than a well defined enemy. The people who support eliminating our nations guiding principals as embodied in the Bill of rights are the real threat to the USA.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Stopped reading after this.

    Have a nice day.
    You are free to ignore that which you don't agree with or can't accept. But that doesn't make it go away.
    Worldwide Caliphate - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    A "Worldwide Caliphate" is the concept of a single theocratic one-world government as proposed by some Islamic extremists in their efforts to overthrow the world's current political systems.[1] The Daily Times reported that at a rally held in Islamabad[when?] the militant organization Pakistan.[2]
    Hizb ut-Tahrir believes that all Muslims should unite in a worldwide caliphate[3][4] that will "challenge, and ultimately conquer, the West."[5] While extremists commit atrocities in pursuit of this unlikely goal, it lacks appeal among a wider Islamic audience.[6] Brigitte Gabriel argues that the goal of a worldwide caliphate is central to the enterprise of radical Islam.[7] History

    Efraim Karsh explains[clarification needed] the concept's origin:[8] "As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising struggle 'in the path of Allah,' or jihad. This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) which will only end with Islam's eventual triumph."
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    Interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith
    See also: Islam and violence Hadiths about Jihad
    The role played by the Qur'an, Islam's sacred text, in opposing or in encouraging attacks on civilians is disputed.[citation needed]
    The Princeton University Middle Eastern scholar Bernard Lewis, states that Islamic jurisprudence does not allow terrorism.[26] In 2001, Professor Lewis noted:[27] At no time did the (Muslim) jurist approve of terrorism. Nor indeed is there any evidence of the use of terrorism (in Islamic tradition).[28] Muslims are commanded not to kill women, children,[29] or the aged, not to torture or otherwise ill-treat prisoners,[30] The rules and regulations concerning prisoners of war in Islam to give fair warning of the opening of hostilities, and to honor agreements.[31] Similarly, the laws of Jihad categorically preclude wanton and indiscriminate slaughter.[32] The warriors in the holy war are urged not to harm non-combatants, women and children, "unless they attack you first." A point on which they insist is the need for a clear declaration of war before beginning hostilities, and for proper warning before resuming hostilities after a truce. What the classical jurists of Islam never remotely considered is the kind of unprovoked, unannounced mass slaughter of uninvolved civil populations that we saw in New York two weeks ago. For this there is no precedent and no authority in Islam.

    But Bernard Lewis says Jihad is an unlimited offensive to bring the whole world under Islamic law; Christian crusades a defensive, limited response to, and imitation of, jihad.[33]
    Islamic terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
    If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
    If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
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    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    You are free to ignore that which you don't agree with or can't accept. But that doesn't make it go away.
    Worldwide Caliphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Islamic terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Nothing you've posted is evidence that we're going to be invaded by the Islamic world and forced to accept Sharia Law.


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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Nothing you've posted is evidence that we're going to be invaded by the Islamic world and forced to accept Sharia Law.

    Other than it's a stated goal of their religion, and that it's perfectly acceptable in their religion to kill off all the males of the society they invade / conquer.

    Think again as to the civil unrest incidences in the EU countries that caused by larger scale Muslim rioting. Think again as to how the radicalism is being spread from Mosque to Mosque even in this country.

    Imminent threat? Quite possibly. Immediate threat? Not so much, unless you consider 9/11 as only the opening salvo of a much longer time context in which they are viewing this conflict.

    Are you really so sure that it's something the western nations can afford to ignore?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Other than it's a stated goal of their religion, and that it's perfectly acceptable in their religion to kill off all the males of the society they invade / conquer.
    Oh lord... beyond the radicals, if you actually believe that load of crap then you really need to stop watching Fox News.

    Christianity has similar passages, but again only a handful of radicals commit heinous acts each year.

    Thank god people like you don't form foreign policy in this country, at least not for now.

    Unsubscribing now. Tootles.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Oh lord... beyond the radicals, if you actually believe that load of crap then you really need to stop watching Fox News.
    It's in the reference that I cited, and that reference is heavily cited itself to the original materials. So, no, not Fox News.

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Christianity has similar passages, but again only a handful of radicals commit heinous acts each year.
    Good point. How many extremist Christians? Not many. How many extremist Muslims? Quite a lot. Big difference.

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    Thank god people like you don't form foreign policy in this country, at least not for now.

    Unsubscribing now. Tootles.
    As you see fit.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The people who see the bodies and destruction from drone attacks know what happened. The families and friends of the people who are disappeared by the USA have a pretty good idea of what is happening to them. Word gets around.
    I've dealt with and studies these populaces for several years now. Allow me to assure you that U.S. citizens are far more informed, and by more than RUMINT at that


    You are mistaking paranoid, conspiratorial mutterings for logic or data.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If they already knew then they didn't need to do the investigation for a report. Besides, the relatively small number of intelligence committee members doesn't adequately represent the nation as a whole, or even Democrats as a whole.
    We also don't know to what degree information was not revealed, or how many lies were told to the committee by the intelligence agencies. We know that they were lied to about the scope of NSA surveillance.

    Oh please, first Nancy Pelosi didn't remember being briefed and now they were briefed but were lied to.

    Sounds like more Democrat dishonesty

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