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Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

Should The Torture Report be Released Publicly?


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Apparently not.

Consider the Middle East (Iraq, Iran, etc.) I don't think for a second that the majority of people in the world give a crap about those people trying so desperately to remove themselves from the gene pool. For the "West" (or all the others not in the ME), it's all about the energy found in those regions the world needs right now to survive and feed itself. They/We, are perfectly willing to pay good money for those energy products, and the people can wipe their butts with it, or whatever they want to do. However, screw with that supply, and that threatens the people of the world, so get ready to be pounded into dust. It's all pretty simple.

Once the world has transitioned farther from the basic energy supplies the ME has, the people will be left to eliminate themselves from the earth, one battle rooted in ancient insults after another.

If the people of Middle East had any sense, they would do everything in their power to make sure the oil stays underground.
 
No. Don't release it. I want results and I have no interest in how they are achieved. The last thing anyone needs is a bunch of whiners complaining. Good, bad, or indifferent, there are some things I don't need to know. I'm perfectly satisfied to leave the "how" to the experts.

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Yes, it does.
I saw a news blurb yesterday that a couple of detainees were being released after 12 years.
I've heard for years that Guantanamo holds the worst of the worst terrorists.
These alleged terrorists were held, never charged then released after TWELVE YEARS.

And some of the people sent to Guantanamo might have actually been innocent people wrongly imprisioned.
 
Torture is used to find out if the person even did anything wrong in the first place. We're a first world country that should be respecting human rights. There was no trial and torture of human beings that they were too lazy to convict. You may want that done in your name but I don't.

Let's not get melodramatic about torture. Considering the ramifications, I don't think simple innocents are being grabbed in the middle of the night and tortured.

As such, I really have no way of responding to your post.
 
And some of the people sent to Guantanamo might have actually been innocent people wrongly imprisioned.

That is the problem.
As with many, if not most, national security operations, pesky human rights are ignored in pursuit of some fuzzy "greater good".:shrug:
 
If the people of Middle East had any sense, they would do everything in their power to make sure the oil stays underground.

If they had any sense, they'd pump it, use the revenue to improve themselves, and attempt to join the 21st Century. If they don't pump it, people will just brush them aside and take it anyway.

Of course, it seems quite clear they don't have any sense, so whatever happens, evolution is going to pay them a visit.
 
Let's not get melodramatic about torture. Considering the ramifications, I don't think simple innocents are being grabbed in the middle of the night and tortured.

As such, I really have no way of responding to your post.

If there's real evidence that they're guilty of something then a trial should be open a shut. I don't think that our government should be torturing people that by international human rights standards are innocent until proven guilty. It's cowardly and lazy.




How about this?

UK troops reported the USA troops for torturing..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Jp-IXu93M

Or maybe some of you would rather not watch this??

I have absolutely no idea what your point is. I already said I'm against torture.
 
They/We, are perfectly willing to pay good money for those energy products, and the people can wipe their butts with it, or whatever they want to do. However, screw with that supply, and that threatens the people of the world, so get ready to be pounded into dust. It's all pretty simple.

I agree with this.
However, most ME villains are more than happy to sell their oil.
Sadaam and Qaddafi were prime examples.
How does China manage to get their oil without engaging in endless ME warfare?

Once the world has transitioned farther from the basic energy supplies the ME has, the people will be left to eliminate themselves from the earth, one battle rooted in ancient insults after another.

I'm not happy about this dystopian future for the ME, but for the USA's sake, I hope you are right.
 
Let's not get melodramatic about torture. Considering the ramifications, I don't think simple innocents are being grabbed in the middle of the night and tortured....

"Maher Arar (Arabic: ماهر عرار) (born 1970) is a telecommunications engineer with dual Syrian and Canadian citizenship who has resided in Canada since 1987. Arar's story is frequently referred to as "extraordinary rendition" but the US government insisted it was a case of deportation.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

Arar was detained during a layover at John F. Kennedy International Airport in September 2002 on his way home to Canada from a family vacation in Tunis.[6] He was held without charges in solitary confinement in the United States for nearly two weeks, questioned, and denied meaningful access to a lawyer.[6] The US government suspected him of being a member of Al Qaeda and deported him, not to Canada, his current home and the passport on which he was travelling, but to Syria, even though its government is known to use torture.[7] He was detained in Syria for almost a year, during which time he was tortured, according to the findings of a commission of inquiry ordered by the Canadian government, until his release to Canada. The Syrian government later stated that Arar was "completely innocent."[8][9] A Canadian commission publicly cleared Arar of any links to terrorism, and the government of Canada later settled out of court with Arar. He received C$10.5 million and Prime Minister Stephen Harper formally apologized to Arar for Canada's role in his "terrible ordeal"..."


Now you can't claim ignorance.
 
Two ways:

1) cowardice

and/or 2) the ends justify the means.

Does domination..humiliation...and maybe eventual death..meted out on helpless prisoners..nude..abused..Justify the means!!
 
If there's real evidence that they're guilty of something then a trial should be open a shut. I don't think that our government should be torturing people that by international human rights standards are innocent until proven guilty. It's cowardly and lazy.

I have absolutely no idea what your point is. I already said I'm against torture.


Of course. All the above is true. However, there are exceptions where expediency is critical. I have no problem with those very rare but expedient circumstances being met with ends that justify the means.
 
If there's real evidence that they're guilty of something then a trial should be open a shut. I don't think that our government should be torturing people that by international human rights standards are innocent until proven guilty. It's cowardly and lazy.


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Exactly.
The reason for these non-trials seems to be......."any information made public in a trial would irreparably damage our national security..."
National security.....the last refuge of scoundrels.
 
Did I read that $40 million dollars was spent on this investigation? The Dems may not have spoken to anyone involved, but someone did.

Let's read it to see where we really are. How low can you go and still think that you're the greatest? It's high time that we cleaned the CIA closet.

Any person that spends the better part of their day torturing other people really does not need to live anymore. We don't need those guys in our country.

Oh noes! It will make us be attacked by our sworn enemies. Like they aren't hell bent on that already.
 
I agree with this.
However, most ME villains are more than happy to sell their oil.
Sadaam and Qaddafi were prime examples.
How does China manage to get their oil without engaging in endless ME warfare?

I'm not happy about this dystopian future for the ME, but for the USA's sake, I hope you are right.

That's a good question. I don't really know how China does it. Perhaps projecting a message that you don't want to mess with them because they don't care about human rights, and perhaps also they don't have a problem selling weapons?

I do know we have allies who depend on ME oil, and we aren't going to let that supply be dominated by lunatics. IMO, that's just never going to happen. The modern world is not going to starve while respecting the boarders of another country. Never happened in human history.
 
Does domination..humiliation...and maybe eventual death..meted out on helpless prisoners..nude..abused..Justify the means!!

Apparently, according to some of us, the answer is yes.
 
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?


Considering some of the vile evil **** the CIA and government has done I believe that the only thing the government should be allowed to keep secret is troop movements during a time of war,not this war on terror bull****. Hopefully the democrats mean it and they are not just trying to force the republicans into backing off on defunding Obama-Amnesty or Obama-care.
 
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Does domination..humiliation...and maybe eventual death..meted out on helpless prisoners..nude..abused..Justify the means!!

Never...I am 100% against torture and 100% for releasing the report.

I was merely explaining the justifications in those people's minds.
 
Did I read that $40 million dollars were spent on this investigation? The Dems may not have spoken to anyone involved, but someone did.

Let's read it to see where we really are. How low can you go and still think that you're the greatest? It's high time that we cleaned the CIA closet.

Any person that spends the better part of their day torturing other people really does not need to live anymore. We don't need those guys in our country.

Oh noes! It will make us be attacked by our sworn enemies. Like they aren't hell bent on that already.

If there are people who commited torture, the only place fit for them is the Hauge.
 
If your actions are so cowardly that you're thrown under the bus by the world knowing about them, you deserve everything you get. Don't like people getting upset that you tortured people? Don't torture people.

It's all about creating chaos for the new Congress.
 
Of course. All the above is true. However, there are exceptions where expediency is critical. I have no problem with those very rare but expedient circumstances being met with ends that justify the means.

And that's what you think this is about? Those few times that a literal bomb was ticking and they waterboarded a deactivation code out of him? Come on.

They use torture because they find it convenient and have zero respect for basic human rights.
 
I don't think any American can accept the use of torture.

How can American values justify torture.

There are Americans who justify death in the name of choice, so this false value thing you're attempting to apply to torture doesn't really hold true.

American values are such that there are people willing to die to protect them, and to protect those who want to aspire to the same opportunities those values represent.
 
There are Americans who justify death in the name of choice, so this false value thing you're attempting to apply to torture doesn't really hold true.

American values are such that there are people willing to die to protect them, and to protect those who want to aspire to the same opportunities those values represent.

But how pure are those values if we comiting acts of torture that dehumanise its victims?
 
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