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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    If it was so " immoral " why didn't the Democrats in the House intelligence committee do something about it when they were thoroughly briefed by the CIA ?

    Pelosi and Company were well aware that these enhanced interrogation techniques were being used .

    What did they do to put a stop to them ?
    Any democrats that condoned the behavior as just as bad as Bush/Cheney. Utlimately however....it was Bush/Cheney that instigated the use,
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Alright, whether it works or not, is that the only consideration? I mean, what is it you're fighting against? What's the difference between you and your enemies?
    My enemies are not having their heads chopped off on video, or having their corpses dragged through the streets.

    If one civilian or allied life can be saved by denying my enemies some sleep, then thats success

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sure....but what you are failing to understand or recognize is that it is the BEHAVIOR contained in the reports that is causing the risk. If the report indicated that the US had maintained its high standards of decency there would be no risk.
    Really.....what policy is the report changing? What does the report do.....other than harm American Interests and personnel?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sure....but what you are failing to understand or recognize is that it is the BEHAVIOR contained in the reports that is causing the risk. If the report indicated that the US had maintained its high standards of decency there would be no risk.
    Or if bo and co didnt grand stand. There was no point in this release other than to cause trouble. Thanks libs, hope yall are satisfied when a protest breaks out and people are killed

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    IIRC, Bush had a timeline in which the Iraqis had to follow.
    A timeline is much different than dictating the composition and personnel of another sovereign nation's government.

    Might very well have been a 'here's what we'll commit to' or 'here's what we were thinking', type of a plan, as a starting point, as we all realize that no plan is accurate beyond the first contact with the enemy, at least when cast into military terms, but you get the idea, I'm sure.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I know that we're in an ends justifies the means situation now, where we have to follow through with our corrupt and ridiculous plans that were already initiated. That's kind of how the government gets way with continuing to do the same old crap. "Well, we started it, now we might as well finish it." But the argument for non-state actors works both ways. We can't invade every country on earth to suss out anyone who opposes us, and terrorism is never ending. ISIS has shown us that even after our protracted theater in the Middle East, our enemies can still rebound and pose a serious threat to us. Yes perhaps Obama withdrew the troops to early, but really, the Middle East has a history of resiliency against its enemies. No war will be lengthy enough to really quell the cultural dissent, and the amount of damage we have done to their civilizations will ensure that they hate us for the foreseeable future. This is a battle that we CANNOT win, and I'm not saying that because I'm anti-war, but because I'm a pragmatist. We are bankrupting our nation trying to take water out of the ocean.

    The point I'm trying to make is that there is the letter of the law, and then there is the spirit of the law. It's not like the tortures are in the spirit of the law, even though we can defend it using the precise wording of the treaty system.The human touch in our system of governance is lost when everything gets boiled down to pure semantics. But I guess that's what happens when government is made up of mostly lawyers and business people.
    If you really believe that this is a battle that we cannot win, I suggest that you save time and start adopting Sharia law now, rather than later. Get used to being beheaded for not being Muslim or believing in Islam.

    We can see the throes of this in the heavily Muslim immigrated EU countries, such as France, Germany and the UK. They've got a hell of a problem in that this Islamic radicalism is not only present in the first generation immigrants, it's also starting to show up in the second generation of immigrants, which have not really assimilated into the local culture as expected and depended on.

    The Islamic extremists's stated goal is to spread Islam to all countries, and make it the majority religion in all countries.

    What's the most pragmatic response to the threat of being killed by Islamic extremists?
    What's the most pragmatic response to the threat of displacing the culture of all non-Islamic countries?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Any democrats that condoned the behavior as just as bad as Bush/Cheney. Utlimately however....it was Bush/Cheney that instigated the use,
    Well, now you are speaking about all the Democrats that were in the Intelligence Committees of both the House and the Senate. So that'd be Feinstein herself, and I don't buy for a minute her claim that 'she didn't know'. She was briefed extensively and repeatedly in these committee hearings by the CIA.

    So say hello to your Democratic leadership, and you can lump them right in with Bush / Cheney on this count.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The US doesn't run around talking about being morally Superior.....except when the left has power. Maybe you should tell ALL those in your Party. Never to discuss morals and values. Especially since most the left has a problem with ethics while not having any Real Heart.

    Yes, that would be the majority of the left. Weakness defined!!!!!
    seems i hear "American exceptionalism" quite a bit when republicans are in power
    that little phrase is used to justify doing those things that no other nation on the planet would be able to get away with
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    seems i hear "American exceptionalism" quite a bit when republicans are in power
    that little phrase is used to justify doing those things that no other nation on the planet would be able to get away with


    Yeah I hear it to when it comes to American business and the Military. But that is to be expected. Of course we have heard BO out speaking about how exceptional we are too.

    As he told those overseas. Always there with an open hand to help. From food to disaster relief and saving lives to even fighting terrorists and bringing them to justice.

    Were not those his words?

    Has he not ran around and tried to show and tell all how exceptional our troops are?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah I hear it to when it comes to American business and the Military. But that is to be expected. Of course we have heard BO out speaking about how exceptional we are too.

    As he told those overseas. Always there with an open hand to help. From food to disaster relief and saving lives to even fighting terrorists and bringing them to justice.

    Were not those his words?

    Has he not ran around and tried to show and tell all how exceptional our troops are?
    only NOT the ones conducting torture and those who authorized/directed it
    the phrase 'American exceptionalism' was co-opted by the neocons to justify engaging our nation in immoral acts
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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