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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Do you ever get tired of blaming Clinton for Bush's use of torture, or Bush's decision to invade Iraq? Have some accountability. Stand up for your principles, such as they are.

    Besides which, I have never defended Clinton or his administration. So you hitting the 'Clinton Did It!' button whenever you're being pressed doesn't work on me.

    No, I never get tired of using a reality check to bring out facts that leftists ignore.

    Oh and if this is what you calling pressing. You will need to up that Leftist game of yours. Just sayin!

    Has that part about another Report coming from the Same Intel Committee helped to put the Democrat Report into its perspective?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    No, I never get tired of using a reality check to bring out facts that leftists ignore.
    The fact is that Bush invaded Iraq and Clinton didn't. The neocons tried to goad Clinton into invading Iraq, but he was at least smarter than Bush, whose administration was completely co-opted by neocons (such that nearly 20 PNAC signatories had key positions).

    Oh and if this is what you calling pressing. You will need to up that Leftist game of yours. Just sayin!
    I guess you can't press someone without any morals, ethics, or sense of responsibility for their own ideology.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week
    Your poll results show by a more than 2-to-1 vote that the report should have been released.
    Let this be the beginning of the DEM reawakening on how to fight the GOP messaging war .
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    OK. Non-state actors then. A label really doesn't change the underlying situation at all, really.

    How exactly are we supposed to make foreign sovereign countries from where they came from, of whom they are, or at least were at one time, citizens, take them back when they don't want to take them, for fear of instability that they may bring along with them? How can it not matter if these countries want them, are willing to accept them, or not?

    If we just turn them lose, as we have others of the same ilk, it's been shown that a rather high percentage of them go back to the fight and continue shooting and bombing innocent civilians and law abiding military personnel of various nations. How is that a rational and responsible course of action to take?

    True, as a matter of course the US should not be torturing or performing enhanced interrogation on anyone. If lives are at stake? If the protection of the nation is at stake? Extreme circumstances such as these? I'm willing to take equally extraordinary counter measures. But certainly not a as a matter of course.

    When met with a force such as this, does it not behoove us to apply an equal but opposite force?
    I know that we're in an ends justifies the means situation now, where we have to follow through with our corrupt and ridiculous plans that were already initiated. That's kind of how the government gets way with continuing to do the same old crap. "Well, we started it, now we might as well finish it." But the argument for non-state actors works both ways. We can't invade every country on earth to suss out anyone who opposes us, and terrorism is never ending. ISIS has shown us that even after our protracted theater in the Middle East, our enemies can still rebound and pose a serious threat to us. Yes perhaps Obama withdrew the troops to early, but really, the Middle East has a history of resiliency against its enemies. No war will be lengthy enough to really quell the cultural dissent, and the amount of damage we have done to their civilizations will ensure that they hate us for the foreseeable future. This is a battle that we CANNOT win, and I'm not saying that because I'm anti-war, but because I'm a pragmatist. We are bankrupting our nation trying to take water out of the ocean.

    The point I'm trying to make is that there is the letter of the law, and then there is the spirit of the law. It's not like the tortures are in the spirit of the law, even though we can defend it using the precise wording of the treaty system.The human touch in our system of governance is lost when everything gets boiled down to pure semantics. But I guess that's what happens when government is made up of mostly lawyers and business people.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    The fact is that Bush invaded Iraq and Clinton didn't. The neocons tried to goad Clinton into invading Iraq, but he was at least smarter than Bush, whose administration was completely co-opted by neocons (such that nearly 20 PNAC signatories had key positions).



    I guess you can't press someone without any morals, ethics, or sense of responsibility for their own ideology.

    Now look up Fact Check. Org......so your confusion doesn't expand.

    Oh were we suppose to believe that you were attempting to be moral and just......that you would know about ethics and civility and actually use it. Most of the time its Best not to preach until you can walk that walk.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Your poll results show by a more than 2-to-1 vote that the report should have been released.
    Let this be the beginning of the DEM reawakening on how to fight the GOP messaging war .

    A Demo awakening?


    And to think.....that was just with the Demos Report.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    An early Christmas gift for ISIS recruiters.
    If that be the case, then drone strikes and GTMO are the recruiting gifts that keep on giving!

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Not significant, because it isn't a secret and it is already well known throughout the world. It is the people of the USA who are most in the dark (or in denial) about our government's activities.
    information is the most easily traded resource; the idea that foreigners know things about our governments' activities that we are kept in the dark about is unsupportable at best.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by uncleray View Post
    If that be the case, then drone strikes and GTMO are the recruiting gifts that keep on giving!
    Yes they are. But what about before all that?
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Then why did BO Peep say that Americans in certain countries would have more of risk. Why did they say they were concerned about that?

    You weren't going to try and deny that this report would raise the risk of harm on Americans, were you?

    Do you even know anything about warfare?

    Sure....but what you are failing to understand or recognize is that it is the BEHAVIOR contained in the reports that is causing the risk. If the report indicated that the US had maintained its high standards of decency there would be no risk.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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