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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

    Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

    The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

    What say ye?
    I say the democrats are lashing out over getting their asses handed to them in the midterms. And Obama hopes it will distract from the heat over obamacare and illegal immigration.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If releasing these reports endangers American lives then the answer is no.
    Continuing doing the same actions and sweeping it under the rug endangers more lives. It was the immoral activity instigated under Cheney/Bush that has put American lives at risk.....not releasing the report that details their actions.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Thugs are doing worse without our go ahead and have been for decades.

    It does work as reported by the cia today.

    Its only common sense. The left says "theyll say anything to make it stop"

    The reality is every source of info is cross checked. You never act on a single piece of intel. If i am waterboarding you and you tell me somethin i know is a lie, you will get it worse. The question is are you willing to roll that dice? I think not
    Alright, whether it works or not, is that the only consideration? I mean, what is it you're fighting against? What's the difference between you and your enemies?
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Terrorists are called non-state actors, which is convenient for us because we get to invade the entire world without ever declaring war in order to get to these "terrorists".

    What we are supposed to do with them? I don't know... I guess just create prisons all over the place in grey zones to dump them in indefinitely? Seems to be the status quo these days.

    It doesn't matter if their own countries want them or not. They are citizens of somewhere, and somewhere should deal with them. But that's not the reason why we're detaining them. We deport other people's problem all the time, it's also our status quo. We're holding them because they know our dirty little secrets.

    All this legal minutiae is pointless. We should not be torturing anyone. It's against our stated principles as a country. The least we could do is hide it better. Our government has zero shame anymore... it all just hangs out.
    OK. Non-state actors then. A label really doesn't change the underlying situation at all, really.

    How exactly are we supposed to make foreign sovereign countries from where they came from, of whom they are, or at least were at one time, citizens, take them back when they don't want to take them, for fear of instability that they may bring along with them? How can it not matter if these countries want them, are willing to accept them, or not?

    If we just turn them lose, as we have others of the same ilk, it's been shown that a rather high percentage of them go back to the fight and continue shooting and bombing innocent civilians and law abiding military personnel of various nations. How is that a rational and responsible course of action to take?

    True, as a matter of course the US should not be torturing or performing enhanced interrogation on anyone. If lives are at stake? If the protection of the nation is at stake? Extreme circumstances such as these? I'm willing to take equally extraordinary counter measures. But certainly not a as a matter of course.

    When met with a force such as this, does it not behoove us to apply an equal but opposite force?
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    OK, so let's say they are POWs then.
    Their next stop after being captured would be a POW camp.
    So that'd be Gitmo.
    POWs are detained until the war is over, right?
    Well, the war on terrorism is still on.
    So . . . . the POWs stay in the POW camp then?
    Prisoner exchanges often happen before the conflict is over. Terrorism is a method not an identifiable enemy. The war is over when the USA installs their approved government.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Prisoner exchanges often happen before the conflict is over.
    True.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Terrorism is a method not an identifiable enemy.
    Terrorism is a method, true. One who engages in that method is a terrorist.
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    The war is over when the USA installs their approved government.
    Given the challenges that the US administrations have had with both the Karzai and the al-Maliki government, if these are really the US installed government, I think the US should have chosen more wisely.

    Suffice it to say that in both cases it was done by vote, and not installed by the US.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Continuing doing the same actions and sweeping it under the rug endangers more lives. It was the immoral activity instigated under Cheney/Bush that has put American lives at risk.....not releasing the report that details their actions.
    Then why did BO Peep say that Americans in certain countries would have more of risk. Why did they say they were concerned about that?

    You weren't going to try and deny that this report would raise the risk of harm on Americans, were you?

    Do you even know anything about warfare?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Continuing doing the same actions and sweeping it under the rug endangers more lives. It was the immoral activity instigated under Cheney/Bush that has put American lives at risk.....not releasing the report that details their actions.
    If it was so " immoral " why didn't the Democrats in the House intelligence committee do something about it when they were thoroughly briefed by the CIA ?

    Pelosi and Company were well aware that these enhanced interrogation techniques were being used .

    What did they do to put a stop to them ?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    If it was so " immoral " why didn't the Democrats in the House intelligence committee do something about it when they were thoroughly briefed by the CIA ?

    Pelosi and Company were well aware that these enhanced interrogation techniques were being used .

    What did they do to put a stop to them ?
    Any Democrats or Republicans complicit in torture policies should be thrown out like the anti-American bums they are.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Any Democrats or Republicans complicit in torture policies should be thrown out like the anti-American bums they are.


    I agree.

    If some of the people in the G.W. Bush mis-administration hadn't descended into barbarity as part of their response to 9/11 we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    When any country (Including the USA.) violates international agreements that it has signed and tortures people it has crossed a red line.

    And it shouldn't be surprised when other nations condemn its actions.

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