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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Our intel people are when it comes to dealing with those that are seeking to do us harm. As we have been shown under BO and his team.
    Those seeking to do us harm are, by and large, the American government itself. Nothing poses greater threat to our freedom and liberty at present. Not even terrorists.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    There is not enough information to say whether this report is biased or not, and if so, how biased. If there is a taint of bias, we need to start releasing internal documents from whatever departments were involved and get the full story, and if a few careers are ruined or people go to jail, then good they shouldnt have been involved in the first place. This is not a political matter to me, this is a human rights matter. I consider that to be far more fundamental than political games.
    So do you think it is wise when conducting an investigation, that one of the steps would be to talk to witnesses? Shouldn't there be a process that is kept to and such rules followed when looking into what you term a human Rights matter? If a report by one group of people is not conducted properly and they refuse to follow such guidelines and format. Would you say they look Biased?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Libs will love it, they hate america. Not loony people will see it for what it is. Desperation for one last "blame bush" fest. If anyone is hurt by this release, hope the dems are happy.

    Ftr i have no issue with any actions the cia took during the ksm interrogations

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    So do you think it is wise when conducting an investigation, that one of the steps would be to talk to witnesses? Shouldn't there be a process that is kept to and such rules followed when looking into what you term a human Rights matter? If a report by one group of people is not conducted properly and they refuse to follow such guidelines and format. Would you say they look Biased?
    yes, talk to all involved, not just witnesses, use the UN and the red cross to monitor. open all records along with the report itself. This would be a good format.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those seeking to do us harm are, by and large, the American government itself. Nothing poses greater threat to our freedom and liberty at present. Not even terrorists.
    Our government has more to fear from the people.....than the people do from our government.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    yes, talk to all involved, not just witnesses, use the UN and the red cross to monitor. open all records along with the report itself. This would be a good format.
    Ah, but then if these guidelines weren't followed and then they still put out a report. Should they not be hooked up for bringing false and misleading statements? What about for endangering others lives?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    They already do. There's nothing I can do about it. In fact, they even behead their prisoners - something that I feel any of us would find impossible to prove that the US has ever done.

    To compare what the US has done, to what a terrorist would do, is insulting to anyone like me that is a vet, especially those of us that are disabled because of our service, due to enemy fire. (just saying, so you know next time)
    Where did I say that Americans use the exact torture as groups like ISIS? Please, humor me, because that is no where close that what I had written. I had asked you if you'd be okay with ISIS using the same torture methods as the American military used under Bush. Apart from the usual 'non-torture' (as YOU say) of water boarding and sleep deprivation, I ask again would YOU be okay with ISIS doing the following to American soldiers (including family members):

    One detainee faced particularly rough treatment in late 2005. Per the report: "According to CIA records, Abu Ja'far al-Iraqi was subjected to nudity, dietary manipulation, insult slaps, abdominal slaps, attention grasps, facial holds, walling, stress positions and water dousing with 44 degree Fahrenheit water for 18 minutes. He was shackled in the standing position for 54 hours as part of sleep deprivation, and experienced swelling in his lower legs requiring blood thinner and spiral ace bandages.
    "He was moved to a sitting position, and his sleep deprivation was extended to 78 hours. After the swelling subsided, he was provided with more blood thinner and was returned to the standing position. The sleep deprivation was extended to 102 hours. After four hours of sleep, Abu Ja'far al-Iraqi was subjected to an additional 52 hours of sleep deprivation, after which CIA Headquarters informed interrogators that eight hours was the minimum rest period between sleep deprivation sessions exceeding 48 hours. In addition to the swelling, Abu Ja'far al-Iraqi also experienced an edema on his head due to walling, abrasions on his neck and blisters on his ankles from shackles."
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    8. "At least five CIA detainees were subjected to 'rectal rehydration' or rectal feeding without documented medical necessity," the report said. More specifically, "Majid Khan's 'lunch tray' of hummus, pasta with sauce, nuts and raisins was 'pureed' and rectally infused."
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Libs will love it, they hate america. Not loony people will see it for what it is. Desperation for one last "blame bush" fest. If anyone is hurt by this release, hope the dems are happy.

    Ftr i have no issue with any actions the cia took during the ksm interrogations
    So you'd be perfectly fine with American soldiers being treated the same exact way?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Ah, but then if these guidelines weren't followed and then they still put out a report. Should they not be hooked up for bringing false and misleading statements? What about for endangering others lives?
    Not necessarily, it depends on whether the report was written in good faith or not. Right now there is no reason to doubt the good faith and honest effort of the writers. Them belonging to one political party or another does not matter for this determination.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Our government has more to fear from the people.....than the people do from our government.
    Not currently, but it should. When the government fears the People, there is liberty. When the People fear the government, there is tyranny.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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