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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Anytime a group of people is afraid of what will happen if everyone knows what they did they probably shouldn't have done what they did.

    Does anyone think that any of them have learned anything from this?

    I don't and what's more I believe that some of them would do the same things again.
    Which is a darn good reason to put them on trial.

    It has nothing to do with being afraid for themselves. People trust us and were helping us to capture most of the Terrorists. People who believed in Democracy, believe in us and that we will do and what we can for what is Right. Our moles and contacts, Friends who risk their whole families at times.

    BO and his team even acknowledge it will raise the Risk of harm to Americans in certain countries.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So you'd be perfectly fine with terrorists using the exact same techniques on American troops? Even if said soldier was a member of your family? Heck it's not torture--as you say--so no big whoop, right?
    They already do. There's nothing I can do about it. In fact, they even behead their prisoners - something that I feel any of us would find impossible to prove that the US has ever done.

    To compare what the US has done, to what a terrorist would do, is insulting to anyone like me that is a vet, especially those of us that are disabled because of our service, due to enemy fire. (just saying, so you know next time)
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Contra Mrs Pelosi, Democrats in the Congress were briefed on this when it was going on. I'm sure that is what they tell others, and what they tell themselves. I'm also pretty sure that if they were morally horrified at the notion that we might trade Abu McSlayTheChildrenOfTheInfedels being uncomfy for a few hours in return for saving dozens or hundreds of lives, they had the opportunity to speak up and chose not to..
    Well the report actually has that information in it. It actually shows that the interrogation techniques were used since 2002...and the President wasn't even informed until 2006. it also states that the CIA actually lied or didn't answer questions specific to the interrogation techniques. When the President did know about it he didn't even tell Powell or Rumsfeld about it. See...that's why this report is useful. When there's no definitive version of events people can completely fabricate things out of no where...like this idea that Congress was informed.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

    Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

    The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

    What say ye?
    In Germany, schoolchildren are forced to learn about the atrocities they committed during WWII. In Japan, from what I understand, this is not the case - the children don't learn about things like the Rape of Nanking.

    How can we possibly learn from our mistakes, from our nation's misdeeds, if we are never made aware of what we did? Yes, there will be more violence because of the release of the report, when others see our truly dirty laundry. But that's what we get for having committed the crimes to begin with. Maybe next time, when we're faced with the choice of whether or not to torture, we'll know better because of what happened with the release of this report.

    After all, when we committed that torture, did the United States of America face any truly existential threat? I ask because when George Washington stated his opinion on torture and mistreatment of prisoners, even the possibility of a United States of America was very much in doubt:

    "Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause... for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country."

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    No. I seriously doubt that any detainees died because of enhanced interrogation while in US custody.

    Of course, that doesn't speak to any of the deaths that occurred while in custody of any other nations.
    Sexual threats, other CIA methods detailed in new U.S. report
    "Specific examples of brutality by CIA interrogators cited in the report include the November 2002 death from hypothermia of a detainee who had been held partially nude and chained to a concrete floor at a secret CIA prison."

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Your post lacks credibility. Perhaps you could strive for some in the future.

    But thanks for your opinion. Perhaps you can work on accuracy in your posts, a splash of credibility might be refreshing.
    If you're too lazy to form rebuttals we can just call it here. Run along, boy.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    One of the last Leftist's final attempts to throw the Right under the bus.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    One of the last Leftist's final attempts to throw the Right under the bus.
    Yeah, what a bunch of snitches.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    "Torture Report"?

    Did we do something more than waterboarding and stress positions?
    the stress positions were egregious -at least enough so the tapes were destroyed.

    Enhanced interrogation techniques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    what I'm wondering is if we got anything out of this in terms of Intel -there are conflicting reports as this is now a partisan "issue"

    I read one of the detainees , or black prisoners gave up the idea that bin Laden used a courier, and that was instrumental in finding and killing him.
    I've heard references to "thwarting plots", but nothing concrete.

    If I had to bottom line it all, i'd say it was worth it if we saved other's lives - the other question is would there have been other means to do so.

    The CIA hacking into the Senate computers provided by the CIA at the Hart office building is just as bad a Constitutional "crime" ( abuse)
    in terms of /separation of powers/oversight.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Sexual threats, other CIA methods detailed in new U.S. report
    "Specific examples of brutality by CIA interrogators cited in the report include the November 2002 death from hypothermia of a detainee who had been held partially nude and chained to a concrete floor at a secret CIA prison."
    thanks for that..a helluva lot more then "stress positions"..
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