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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I read about possible reprecussions of the release of the report as a huge red herring. A lot of prisoners died form torture and I'm sure this report finally acknowledges that fact, plus the fact that no, zero, nada, zip actionable intelligence was elicited from torture. Releasing the report doesn't make it right, but at least reinforces the point that the torture mentality is no longer OK. It moves us, as a Nation, to a slightly higher moral ground. Our current moral ground is well below sea level, somewhere near whale fecal matter.
    How is it a red herring for those who are our contacts in Whatever ME or African Country, they are sided with us. Will their people consider them traitors?

    Oh, and as to not bringing anything to us which we benefitted from. That is incorrect.....the same techniques were used and is what lead us to Osama Bin Laden. Which BO and his team Aptly took credit for and then declared AQ was on the run.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, the Demos showed the Military that and forced the Repubs to agree on NDAA. A Mandatory Bill that had to be passed. All Right here before Christmas too.

    What really Irks me is the Repubs didn't even fight it. Other than getting the decrease down to 1%.

    There is a reason why there are over 35k on the footnotes. Taking 20 or so cases out of thousands and using this to degrade our own Intel people. Is ridiculous.....they are suppose to be degrading ISIS. Not our own people.
    Greetings, MMC.

    Is this what is called "damage control?" Gruber is testifying today, which is going to make Obama and the Dems look bad, so let's get this report out today on torture that was happening in 2004 to make the Repubs look bad? We all saw photos of Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad at the time, - it's disgusting history, but Bush wasn't there interrogating anyone, so what's the point? If it's to show us that bad things happen in war, hell we already knew that, and so did the Dem leadership at the time since they were kept advised! Gruber's testimony will be enlightening on how the ACA was conceived, and why it had to be kept secret from the public, so we shall see how the MSM handles this, since this affects everybody now!

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How is it a red herring for those who are our contacts in Whatever ME or African Country, they are sided with us. Will their people consider them traitors?

    Oh, and as to not bringing anything to us which we benefitted from. That is incorrect.....the same techniques were used and is what lead us to Osama Bin Laden. Which BO and his team Aptly took credit for and then declared AQ was on the run.
    The report is going to make a lot of politicians and CIA management, both Dem and Repub, look like a bag of skunk's bungholes. Uruguay just accepted 6 prisoners from Guantanamo that were renditioned (kidnapped), tortured, and released without charges after 12 years. I think anyone in this Nation or Overseas that participated in the torture should look like a pile of donkey droppings, ergo if they are considered traitors to their own Nation's ideals, then they deserve what they get.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The report is going to make a lot of politicians and CIA management, both Dem and Repub, look like a bag of skunk's bungholes. Uruguay just accepted 6 prisoners from Guantanamo that were renditioned (kidnapped), tortured, and released without charges after 12 years. I think anyone in this Nation or Overseas that participated in the torture should look like a pile of donkey droppings, ergo if they are considered traitors to their own Nation's ideals, then they deserve what they get.
    but doj/gonzales oversaw the fabrication of a document that would give them legal authority to engage in torture
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, MMC.

    Is this what is called "damage control?" Gruber is testifying today, which is going to make Obama and the Dems look bad, so let's get this report out today on torture that was happening in 2004 to make the Repubs look bad? We all saw photos of Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad at the time, - it's disgusting history, but Bush wasn't there interrogating anyone, so what's the point? If it's to show us that bad things happen in war, hell we already knew that, and so did the Dem leadership at the time since they were kept advised! Gruber's testimony will be enlightening on how the ACA was conceived, and why it had to be kept secret from the public, so we shall see how the MSM handles this, since this affects everybody now!
    Yeah Lady P.....just another one of those coincydincys.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but doj/gonzales oversaw the fabrication of a document that would give them legal authority to engage in torture
    Yep, and he's been portrayed in the media as a bag of crap ever since. Just desserts.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The report is going to make a lot of politicians and CIA management, both Dem and Repub, look like a bag of skunk's bungholes. Uruguay just accepted 6 prisoners from Guantanamo that were renditioned (kidnapped), tortured, and released without charges after 12 years. I think anyone in this Nation or Overseas that participated in the torture should look like a pile of donkey droppings, ergo if they are considered traitors to their own Nation's ideals, then they deserve what they get.
    Well.....the CIA also was able to come up with Intel on Ansar al Sharia and Bin Ladens Driver who set up shop in Libya. As well as Intel on Taliban. So again the Demos saying nothing was gained from a few interrogations. Is BS.

    What good does it do to release this now? None can't say this won't affect operations or dealing with others that are in the field.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Yep, and he's been portrayed in the media as a bag of crap ever since. Just desserts.
    he and rice are unique at the moment by their silence about the pending release of the torture report
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I read about possible reprecussions of the release of the report as a huge red herring. A lot of prisoners died form torture and I'm sure this report finally acknowledges that fact, plus the fact that no, zero, nada, zip actionable intelligence was elicited from torture. Releasing the report doesn't make it right, but at least reinforces the point that the torture mentality is no longer OK. It moves us, as a Nation, to a slightly higher moral ground. Our current moral ground is well below sea level, somewhere near whale fecal matter.
    "A lot of prisoners died form torture and I'm sure this report finally acknowledges that fact", this appears to be assuming facts not in evidence.

    Which person or persons died from enhanced interrogation while in US custody?
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    One of the last Leftist's final attempts to throw the Right under the bus.
    Actually, no. The "Leftists" have had the opportunity but threw the opportunity under the bus when Pelosi said "impeachment is off the table". The CIA, among others, operates with almost complete immunity. That concerns me.

    At this point in the political game no matter what is reported to the public about torture - and it won't be much of anything - there will be NO clear line of responsibility for any wrong doing or the authorization or approval or knowledge of any wrong doing. "Mr. Transparency" hasn't been transparent and he isn't going to start now. We have no reason whatsoever to expect a conservative government to be transparent. Indeed, we don't really hear that from conservatives.

    What bothers me most is that more and more Americans seem to support incremental fascism.

    We have reached a point in America where what we really know about the government is what the government tells us. That should bother every American, though unfortunately it does not. As a result, for all we know, we have a government that creates and supports the idea of a big boogie man that must be dealt with. And to deal with that boogie man Americans must trust the government, who in turn and in bits and pieces tells Americans only what it says Americans need to know. Later the government says, "We need to take away some of your freedom to protect you. Trust us." Later still we are told that more freedom needs to be given up because fighting the boogey man is really hard. "Trust us more, we will keep you safe."

    Later yet, the world discovers via WikiLeaks and Julian Assange that maybe Americans shouldn't trust their government. But many Americans are very scared and as Washington cranks up its propaganda machine to use on the American people (now legal, signed into law by Obama, by the way) are told over and over and over and over that Assange is not to be trusted. "His truth hurts America. He is a serial rapist. Trust us, we know. We are keeping you safe." And thus American fascism continue to grow inch by inch, lie by lie, freedoms lost bit by bit. Americans for the most part don't listen to Assange. They've been told not to.

    Next we have Snowden reveal to us that the government has unquestionably lied its ass off to the American people. The government has taken liberties where it said it would not. The government has taken liberties where it says it did not. We discover, in fact, that what Snowden bravely exposed is correct. Our government has not been telling us the truth. Our government has lied to us - a lot. Our basic rights have been abused and shattered. Responding to Snowden's revelations the government countered with massive propaganda and even though we know Snowden was correct, the American masses listened to the government's never ending, "But we are spying on you for you. Yes, we made a mistake, but we didn't mean to. We won't do it anymore. Promise. Besides we only do it to protect you from the boogie man we keep telling you about. Trust us". Americans are told to hate Snowden, so Americans hate Snowden. And fascism creeps deeper into America as Americans do what they are told.

    What Americans really know about their government is what their government tells them. On a continuum we are either moving closer to the Constitution or further away from it.










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