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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It's such white-washed window dressing though. None of these people care about us.
    Well, the Demos showed the Military that and forced the Repubs to agree on NDAA. A Mandatory Bill that had to be passed. All Right here before Christmas too.

    What really Irks me is the Repubs didn't even fight it. Other than getting the decrease down to 1%.

    There is a reason why there are over 35k on the footnotes. Taking 20 or so cases out of thousands and using this to degrade our own Intel people. Is ridiculous.....they are suppose to be degrading ISIS. Not our own people.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Any secrecy allowed in government is automatically a turn for more secrecy and shadowy behavior

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It's such white-washed window dressing though. None of these people care about us.
    I think the "Torture" is and was reprehensible. When you agree to torture, you are agreeing to have your own soldiers tortured, tit for tat, don't ya' know. It represents the low moral agenda that US policies have become under both Repubs and Dems. We've got a nice CORPORATE gov't that is real people because the SCOTUS says so. Don't live and breathe, don't feel pain, don't choke on smog, don't get cancer, are not limited by human frailities like death, and can be bankrupted to escape/minimize liability. Chaos, death, torture, terror, etc. are just side effects of that CORPORATE mantra; "War is good business, and business is good."

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I don't see the benefit of scratching this scab, yet once again, and making it bleed in public, yet once again, especially so if it places our embassies and our overseas personnel and tourists in any sort of risk of increased terrorist activities.

    Complaints about various House investigative committees foolishly spending public monies have been all over this board. This one sided reports that the Democrats insist on spent $40M. Do the same people condemn this foolish expenditure of public monies? So spending public monies in pursuit of one sided political advantage is hardly as one sided as many want everyone to believe.

    One thing that seems to be an odd coincidence is that Gruber is testifying before congress today probably about his comments that have recently gone viral on the Internet. No idea if it's connected or not, but the timing of the release of this torture report does seem almost planned, somehow. Of is there yet another news Obama scandal yet waiting in the wings?


    Mornin Eorhn. That's Right. Gruber is testifying today. Around the same time.....they will release this report. Good catch on that.

    Carl Levin the Demo is retiring. So we wont have to worry about him afterwards. There goes the Demos major back up on this committee. But its not like the other Demos on this Committee can hide.

    Which all their names should be brought out and put on display too.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    This is from the Philippines, an Ally. Already it has begun and the report isn't out. Yet someone has been talking from Team BO.....huh? This will cost us contacts and moles, will jeopardize our allies who are conducting business. All while BO and the Demos want to talk about our values. Note how the terminology is changed for those overseas. The Term Terrorists, is not and will not be used. Overseas they will use the term Militants. Not unlawful combatants even.


    CIA sexual threats, 'torture' in senate report.....


    The Senate Intelligence Committee prepared to release a report on the CIA's anti-terrorism tactics on Tuesday and U.S. officials moved to shore up security at American facilities around the world as a precaution. The report will include graphic details about sexual threats and other harsh interrogation techniques the CIA meted out to captured militants in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, sources familiar with the document said on Monday.

    The report, which Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein said would be released on Tuesday, describes how al Qaeda operative Abdel Rahman al Nashiri, suspected mastermind of the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, was threatened with a buzzing power drill, the sources said. The drill was never actually used on him. It documents how at least one detainee was sexually threatened with a broomstick, the sources said.

    "We are concerned that this release could endanger the lives of Americans overseas, jeopardize U.S. relations with foreign partners, potentially incite violence, create political problems for our allies, and be used as a recruitment tool for our enemies," Senators Marco Rubio and Jim Risch said in a statement on Monday.....snip~

    CIA sexual threats, 'torture' in senate report - 9News


    OMG.....



    Terrorists were threatened and even with a broomstick. One can see how the tickle feather and the baby talk could have been used as psychological cruelty.
    In the EU the threat is counted as torture. The head of police in Frankfurt was removed from his job a few years ago after such a threat and later promoted.
    Personally, i think that considering threats to be torture is stupid as it removes the meaning from the word. Of course, it might be that smudging the lines is in some people's and even some peoples' interest. So do not take their schmooze at face value.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Eorhn. That's Right. Gruber is testifying today. Around the same time.....they will release this report. Good catch on that.

    Carl Levin the Demo is retiring. So we wont have to worry about him afterwards. There goes the Demos major back up on this committee. But its not like the other Demos on this Committee can hide.

    Which all their names should be brought out and put on display too.
    True. Prior to all this conflagration and self-immolation over this issue, the methods and procedures for this enhance interrogation were in fact clearly stated before the Intelligence committees, so even the Democrats on those committee can't claim ignorance on this. By releasing this report, they are implicating themselves as much as they are implicating their Republican opposition, although, I'll wager their names are probably not specifically listed in the report, where as the Republican ones are probably in bold type.

    Multiple intelligence directors and directly involved personnel during those years have come out and stated how much useful intelligence was in fact gained by this. The number 2,000 reports and leads keeps coming on this. So the meme that enhance interrogation is infective appears to be inaccurate, at least when done properly.

    The effectiveness or ineffectiveness one aspect of this (appears to be yes). The other is the legality of it at the time it was performed (also appears to be yes). Lastly is the consideration of should the US engaged in these practices, and to the last one, I'd have to say no.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Do you ever respond or is picking an emoticon the extent of your abilities?
    Didn't you just respond to several of my statements?


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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think the "Torture" is and was reprehensible. When you agree to torture, you are agreeing to have your own soldiers tortured, tit for tat, don't ya' know. It represents the low moral agenda that US policies have become under both Repubs and Dems. We've got a nice CORPORATE gov't that is real people because the SCOTUS says so. Don't live and breathe, don't feel pain, don't choke on smog, don't get cancer, are not limited by human frailities like death, and can be bankrupted to escape/minimize liability. Chaos, death, torture, terror, etc. are just side effects of that CORPORATE mantra; "War is good business, and business is good."

    Mornin DF Aren't we coming late to the game when it comes to torturing? How long has McCain been evidence of this? What about those who helped our people. One can see what will take place with those considered contacts to get us in, wherever.



    White House and Republicans Clash Over C.I.A. Torture Report.....


    Former Vice President Dick Cheney added his voice to those of other Bush administration officials defending the C.I.A., declaring in an interview Monday that its harsh interrogations a decade ago were “absolutely, totally justified,” and dismissing allegations that the agency withheld information from the White House or inflated the value of its methods.

    The White House acknowledged that the report could pose a “greater risk” to American installations and personnel in countries like Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt, Libya and Iraq. But it said that the government had months to plan for the reverberations from its report — indeed, years — and that those risks should not delay the release of the report by the Senate Intelligence Committee. “When would be a good time to release this report?” the White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, asked. “It’s difficult to imagine one, particularly given the painful details that will be included.”

    In addition to tightening security at embassies, the Pentagon will bolster the protection of its forces in Afghanistan, officials said. Intelligence agencies will ramp up their monitoring of the communications of terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and the Islamic State.

    Among the administration’s concerns is that terrorist groups will exploit the disclosures in the report for propaganda value. The Islamic State already clads its American hostages in orange jumpsuits, like those worn by prisoners in C.I.A. interrogations. Hostages held by the Islamic State in Syria were subjected to waterboarding, one of the practices used by the C.I.A. to extract information from suspected terrorists.....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/us...port.html?_r=0

    Oh I see. Team BO says its okay for those Americans in those countries to have a greater Risk of being killed, kidnapped and used for political purposes. Got it!
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    True. Prior to all this conflagration and self-immolation over this issue, the methods and procedures for this enhance interrogation were in fact clearly stated before the Intelligence committees, so even the Democrats on those committee can't claim ignorance on this. By releasing this report, they are implicating themselves as much as they are implicating their Republican opposition, although, I'll wager their names are probably not specifically listed in the report, where as the Republican ones are probably in bold type.

    Multiple intelligence directors and directly involved personnel during those years have come out and stated how much useful intelligence was in fact gained by this. The number 2,000 reports and leads keeps coming on this. So the meme that enhance interrogation is infective appears to be inaccurate, at least when done properly.

    The effectiveness or ineffectiveness one aspect of this (appears to be yes). The other is the legality of it at the time it was performed (also appears to be yes). Lastly is the consideration of should the US engaged in these practices, and to the last one, I'd have to say no.

    Well as you can see Eorhn. BO says they think Americans in those specific countries have more of a risk as to something happening to them. Its a concern.....but they are willing to live with it.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin DF Aren't we coming late to the game when it comes to torturing? How long has McCain been evidence of this? What about those who helped our people. One can see what will take place with those considered contacts to get us in, wherever.



    White House and Republicans Clash Over C.I.A. Torture Report.....


    Former Vice President Dick Cheney added his voice to those of other Bush administration officials defending the C.I.A., declaring in an interview Monday that its harsh interrogations a decade ago were “absolutely, totally justified,” and dismissing allegations that the agency withheld information from the White House or inflated the value of its methods.

    The White House acknowledged that the report could pose a “greater risk” to American installations and personnel in countries like Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt, Libya and Iraq. But it said that the government had months to plan for the reverberations from its report — indeed, years — and that those risks should not delay the release of the report by the Senate Intelligence Committee. “When would be a good time to release this report?” the White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, asked. “It’s difficult to imagine one, particularly given the painful details that will be included.”

    In addition to tightening security at embassies, the Pentagon will bolster the protection of its forces in Afghanistan, officials said. Intelligence agencies will ramp up their monitoring of the communications of terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and the Islamic State.

    Among the administration’s concerns is that terrorist groups will exploit the disclosures in the report for propaganda value. The Islamic State already clads its American hostages in orange jumpsuits, like those worn by prisoners in C.I.A. interrogations. Hostages held by the Islamic State in Syria were subjected to waterboarding, one of the practices used by the C.I.A. to extract information from suspected terrorists.....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/us...port.html?_r=0

    Oh I see. Team BO says its okay for those Americans in those countries to have a greater Risk of being killed, kidnapped and used for political purposes. Got it!
    I read about possible reprecussions of the release of the report as a huge red herring. A lot of prisoners died form torture and I'm sure this report finally acknowledges that fact, plus the fact that no, zero, nada, zip actionable intelligence was elicited from torture. Releasing the report doesn't make it right, but at least reinforces the point that the torture mentality is no longer OK. It moves us, as a Nation, to a slightly higher moral ground. Our current moral ground is well below sea level, somewhere near whale fecal matter.

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