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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    4,500 soldiers were killed by other lies of Cheney/Bush.
    Not to mention the tens of thousands of maimed Veterans from last decade, overloading the VA system .

    It doesn't compare to the 56k that the Demos caused with NAM. When will you leftists ever own up to that BS. Hows the left looking Now? As you can see there is not much to say for going down in History as the Party of being a Major **** up and sell out of the American people.

    Should we count all those that were maimed too? As well as when the Demos stopped funding a War while fighting one.

    Seems you can put Iraq and Afghanistan together and they still don't even come close to that Major Democrat **** up that they will never be allowed to forget. No matter how much they try to rewrite history.

    Did you still want to try and whine can cry about Numbers. Now that Democrats can't escape nor run away from their past.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Out of 221 posts so far, you are the only person who has the lean of Libertarian.
    I've also found you to be a nonpartisan in the past.

    I find the lack of Libertarians incredulous since torture and government overreach in foreign affairs is the Rand Paul/Libertarian platform.
    As you can see, the GOP and its TEA/Libertarian-Right allies are very disciplined on this issue.
    They're keeping quiet to keep the peace.

    The GOP slammed the DEMs in the election because they are winning the messaging war with their coheson.

    However, cracks are emerging due to Obama's immigration move, too late as it was;
    the release of this torture report which McConnell would not have done next year;
    and a possible government shutdown being led by Rush Limbaugh--who should never be underestimated.

    DEMs also have their fissures as we see with Sen. Warren criticizing the President on his Wall Street pick and the whole Trans-Pacific mess.
    DEMs are torn on energy/enviro issues.
    But most of all, DEMs do not have a National Messaging Apparatus while GOPs still do .

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This post lacks substance.

    I know first hand that just because you're fighting monsters doesn't mean you have to become one. You can not quantify any kind of benefit we've received from torture. It's against basic human rights and international law, so those who are responsible should be held responsible.

    It's that simple. If you torture a prisoner and deny him a trial, don't act surprised when everyone thinks you're an asshole. Americans have spoken and they don't want torture done in their name. If you'd like the program to be restarted write your congressman.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It doesn't compare to the 56k that the Demos caused with NAM.
    Join us all in this century and within the last decade's egregious behavior by Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld/Rice .
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Join us all in this century and within the last decade's egregious behavior by Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld/Rice .
    Nothing has changed within the Last decade......as the Democrats attempt to and still will sell this country out in less than it takes to bat an eyelash.

    Isn't that why you signed on with them. As they have never been about anything except division by race, gender, and wealth. Due to knowing they could never win an election in any other way and certainly not with a Unified country.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It doesn't compare to the 56k that the Demos caused with NAM. When will you leftists ever own up to that BS. Hows the left looking Now? As you can see there is not much to say for going down in History as the Party of being a Major **** up and sell out of the American people.

    Should we count all those that were maimed too? As well as when the Demos stopped funding a War while fighting one.

    Seems you can put Iraq and Afghanistan together and they still don't even come close to that Major Democrat **** up that they will never be allowed to forget. No matter how much they try to rewrite history.

    Did you still want to try and whine can cry about Numbers. Now that Democrats can't escape nor run away from their past.
    Ah, the old "I see your evil, I raise you an evil" argument, as if that somehow makes Iraq less evil. It doesn't. I just means we repeat our mistakes.

    Vietnam was an embarrassment of US history as well. At least it was not a pre-emeptive war. Then again, maybe it was.

    I would also point out three things that kept the body count lower in Iraq: 1) most more reliance on mechanized weapons, including drones and cruise missles. 2) superior body armor and 3) the fact that most fighting was in cities, close to medical facilities as opposed to deep jungle warfare that required risky airlift transport to medical help.

    Though the total dead may have been low, we had a ton injured (maimed) and of course, a ton crippled psychologically...

    1 Million Civilians Dead, 37,000 American Soldiers Dead or Injured -- And We've Learned Nothing from Iraq Debacle | Alternet
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Out of 221 posts so far, you are the only person who has the lean of Libertarian.
    I've also found you to be a nonpartisan in the past.

    I find the lack of Libertarians incredulous since torture and government overreach in foreign affairs is the Rand Paul/Libertarian platform.
    As you can see, the GOP and its TEA/Libertarian-Right allies are very disciplined on this issue.
    They're keeping quiet to keep the peace.

    The GOP slammed the DEMs in the election because they are winning the messaging war with their coheson.

    However, cracks are emerging due to Obama's immigration move, too late as it was;
    the release of this torture report which McConnell would not have done next year;
    and a possible government shutdown being led by Rush Limbaugh--who should never be underestimated.

    DEMs also have their fissures as we see with Sen. Warren criticizing the President on his Wall Street pick and the whole Trans-Pacific mess.
    DEMs are torn on energy/enviro issues.
    But most of all, DEMs do not have a National Messaging Apparatus while GOPs still do .
    Was this actually addressed to me or are you just interested in standing on a podium reciting partisan hackery?
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    I voted yes -- I understand the cost-benefit ratio, but if we're afraid that someone is going to get mad enough to kill us, what are we spending hundreds-and-hundreds of billions of dollars on? If some piss ant mother****er wants to pick a fight with the U.S., well, then f'n bring it. That's why we pay some of the finest damn people this planet has to offer to guard the walls and the perimeter, to look out for us when we're lazy, fat and tired. Do we succumb to the fear of terrorism and what Islamic fundamentalists want to do to us? Or do we rise to the occasion, "Yeah, we tortured some of your brethren. We'll do it again if we need to. What are you going to do about it? Do we have a problem, you and I?"

    I suppose I can lend my Always Forward train-of-thought to being trained as a no-reverse shock troop. For victory to be achieved, our will power must not break before theirs. Is it strong to be afraid that words will anger our enemies? Why must we be conscious of their delicate sensibilities? THEY are our enemy, **** their sensibilities. If they've got a problem, this is my response:



    Seriously. Don't be politically correct here fellas. Why give one ounce of a **** about our enemies delicate sensibilities? Aren't you pissed that supposedly a YouTube video caused our Benghazi diplomatic (among other personnel) compound to be attacked by angry Islamists? That they had gotten butthurt over the video and decided to go ape **** in response. Not releasing the report out of fear of that again is giving in to their demands. It is retreat, and I will not agree to it. Ever.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    I voted "I'm not sure". On one hand it should be obvious that the release is going to cause a great deal of harm and invite a strong reaction from the middle east. Part of me thinks the report should be repressed. On the other hand, 2 things. First a report of this magnitude is impossible to repress and will leak out anyway with the same amount of harm and reaction if not more and Second, no country should treat it's prisoners differently than they want their own fighting men treated. We screwed the pooch and anything that keeps it from happening again is a good thing. I simply don't agree with "the ends justify the means" morality that allows torture just because.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Ah, the old "I see your evil, I raise you an evil" argument, as if that somehow makes Iraq less evil. It doesn't. I just means we repeat our mistakes.

    Vietnam was an embarrassment of US history as well. At least it was not a pre-emeptive war. Then again, maybe it was.

    I would also point out three things that kept the body count lower in Iraq: 1) most more reliance on mechanized weapons, including drones and cruise missles. 2) superior body armor and 3) the fact that most fighting was in cities, close to medical facilities as opposed to deep jungle warfare that required risky airlift transport to medical help.

    Though the total dead may have been low, we had a ton injured (maimed) and of course, a ton crippled psychologically...

    1 Million Civilians Dead, 37,000 American Soldiers Dead or Injured -- And We've Learned Nothing from Iraq Debacle | Alternet


    Mornin UG. It's really not raising the hand move. As one must already have their Ante up to even play. The ideological.....of the division tactic, in order to win. Is wherein lies the major fault.

    Yes it is an embarrassment as to how it played out and who did what. While it was going on.

    This report should not be released. Kerry has seen the report. Why do you think he asked Feinstein to hold off. The report is nearly one sided. It only points out the bad. As well as the desperation by the Democrats to shame the CIA, Dick Cheney and Bush Junior. It is clearly being motivated by sheer gotcha politics and the desperation by the Democrats as they know the American people have turned from their policies.

    Due to this report which, btw Team Bo and BO peep also worked on and backs this move. Our troops and Embassies have been put on heightened alert. Not just the Norm.

    Should any American come under Attack and or be killed due to this Report. Then Feinstein and these Democrats should be taken to trial as traitors.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Bumping this up .....as Feinstein will release today. THEY SHOULD NOT release this report with what they have about the CIA and involving Children. This will not only open CIA, Intel and Military people open to attack.

    What good will come out of this? Not to mention the Demos tried to put it out in August with the Names of the CIA ops. What does that tell you. It need to be redacted again!!!!!



    What You Need to Know About the Senate's CIA Torture Report......

    The Senate's Select Committee on Intelligence is expected to make public today a redacted version of the executive summary of its comprehensive investigation of the CIA’s detention and interrogation program. The comprehensive report has come to be known in shorthand as the “CIA Torture Report." The committee’s investigation began in 2009 and three years later morphed into a 6,300 page report with 35,000 footnotes. The CIA’s security concerns about releasing the full report resulted in a compromise earlier this year by the White House and the committee to release a redacted version of the executive summary that was 500 pages in length. The report is expected to provide details about the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, sleep deprivation and use of stress positions that human rights groups have described as torture. Concerns that the report’s contents could incite violence overseas have led the Obama administration to raise security precautions at U.S. embassies worldwide.

    WHAT’S SCANDALOUS?

    A secret 2004 CIA Inspector General report, made public in 2009, listed incidents early in the EIT program where CIA officers went beyond the authorized enhanced interrogation techniques. The report detailed how in some cases CIA officers used a power drill, mock executions and threats against children in efforts to get detainees to provide information.

    The committee’s report is expected to expand on the previously reported details of the harsh interrogation methods, as well as provide new details on other incidents. The report to be released today reportedly says that the CIA misled Congress and the White House about how well the enhanced interrogation techniques were working. An official familiar with the report’s contents says that it concludes the opposite, that the enhanced interrogation techniques produced zero actionable intelligence. The report appeared to be ready for release this past August, but the CIA requested further redactions to protect the identities of CIA officers cited in the report. White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough became personally involved in talks with the committee to resolve the matter.....snip~

    What You Need to Know About the Senate's CIA Torture Report - ABC News

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