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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    One of the last Leftist's final attempts to throw the Right under the bus.
    There is so much to throw under, it may be time for a bigger bus.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    As a matter of principle I must condemn any act of torture, according to the terms of Geneva convention.
    As a matter of principle, so do I. However, as I said, waterboarding and sleep deprivation are not torture.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' CPW. It appears All Branches of government were informed that the release of this report more than likely will bring an armed response from extremists. It appears Feinstein and the Left are more concerned about the Humiliation part. Not to worried about any deaths of Americans overseas they will cause.

    Do you think American kidnappings will go up?


    ...<snip>
    We can all appreciate that the anger comes when the truth is revealed, but the actions that gave rise to the revelations occurred years ago. The anger is not about the revelation, its about the actions that happened in the first place. Any "violence" that comes from revelation is about the ACTIONS not the revelation.

    The whole "torture" program was an abomination. We should all be ashamed of our collective hypocrisy. We should be praying, at this time, for understanding and mercy and the wisdom that we have learned from our misguided past. Its our fault; its time to tell the truth and deal with the consequences like the brave Americans we are suppose to be.

    I saw this somewhere, it seems fitting: "Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, make a different choice."
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    When you were waterboarded you knew they weren't going to kill you. A prisoner does not have that sense of security. You probably were not subjected to it as long as actual prisoners were either.
    Any POW or detainee would know that they would not be killed... in the hands of the US. It just doesn't happen and our enemies know this well. That is why our enemies are hard to break, and refuse to talk. Unlike ISIS, and many countries, we do not kill or threaten to kill POW's or even detainees and given this knowledge it is more difficult to get information.

    As for what I went through and what others like me did as well, I find it enlightening how much those that have not seem to know so much about it. Not just what is and isn't torture, but to what level we were subjected to it - just amazing and enlightening. The amount of inherent knowledge that some people are born with just boggles the mind.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    As with every negative GOP issue/scenario, the messaging war has begun.

    Begun with deflection of whether waterboarding and sleep deprivation really are torture.
    And if McCain's comments on torture are brought up, his own GOP will trash him.

    Would a GOP Senate have released this report on a GOP administration?
    Are squeamish DEMs up for the latest GOP messaging war, something GOPs live for ?
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Extreme sleep deprivation is extreme torture that has driven people to insanity, self harm and suicide. The definition of torture does not require long term lasting effects.

    In my view, all torturers should be put on trial for their crimes. If a jury accepts their "ticking timebomb" justifications* as legitimate then they will be acquitted.

    *"I was only following orders" is not a legitimate justification
    How much do you actually know. Seriously? Do you know if they are given medical exams? Do you know if there are limits set as to what can and cannot be done that are supervised by medical personnel?

    Before people cry foul and call for condemnation, or especially prosecution, I would suggest that they find out the truth. Not the hyper-partisan kumbaya crap that is spewed about. But the actual truth.

    Using the "I was just following orders - is not an excuse" rant is ridiculous, by the way. Maybe you should take a look at the UCMJ before trotting that one out again.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Your experience was totally different as you knew they would not drown you.

    The point of waterboarding is not the pain it inflicts. It is to cause the person to fear for their life.

    It is also effective if one wishes to not leave obvious remnants on the victim's body of the torture (like beatings often do).
    People that endure it, know that they will not drown - however, the body still reacts as though you are drowning. Which puts stress on the brain which gets the person to answer questions to prevent it happening again.

    It is not torture.

    This technique was rarely used and only a very few times on a very few people that had extremely high value information. That's how Obama was able to "get Osama" for goodness sake.

    The US does not use, and has not used, these techniques on a regular basis or in normal practice. However, I am very comfortable knowing that we have this technique available to us if and when the circumstances require it.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    I think this is by design from our community organizer/POTUS.
    He has been apologetic from day one of his tenure.
    Agreed, and at times it saddens me that Obama has done so.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Best wait to see what the report says. Meantime, watch these...
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    I love it. We should do this to all bad guys if we think they can help us defeat them.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Shouldn't have started torturing people in the first place. I mean, torture? How`frickin' third-world can you get?
    Sometimes bad things need to happen to bad people. Waterboarding and sleep deprivation sound like good tools to use against the bad guys.

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