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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Which is why I said it doesn't matter if they release it.

    This isn't a "fact finding" thing. It's a political thing.

    I suspect 10 minutes won't go by before the DNC sends out emails about it to fund raise.
    If there's nothing in it that's new it won't last long in the news cycle.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    I remember when Iran's Ahmadinejad was considered the new Hitler.
    Now, Iran is helping against ISIS.


    True for now.
    But if the bad guys ahead of them in line, are beaten down, the Taliban will be targeted again.


    But as we focus on ISIS, Al Qaeda will be said to have reconstituted and, therefore, will resume being the current bad guy du jour in the ME.

    My point is, this ME snakepit will always produce a new bad guy which is a recipe for endless war.
    Not worth it IMHO.

    Creative marketing by the USA weapons industries because you have to gin up wars or fears of wars to keep the National psyche geared for war. Not enough MSM time reveals the true OILY cause between ME events and US involvement. For instance, the Saudis behead more people than ISIS every month and have been doing so for as long as anyone can remember. That the same scumbag Saudis that are our great ally against ISIS (on paper only). US Corporate wants the pipeline rights across Syria and Iraq and that nice Syrian port at Tartus that the Russians lease. Iran is made to look like the boogeyman and Saudi Arabia is one of the good guys and it is done with media participation/collaboration. The NARRATIVE (nice word for story) is promoted that there are all kinds of evil doers over there that if we don't stop them there, we'll have to stop them here. I, for one, see that as bullcrap, but damn good marketing if you want to gin up that fear that sells weapons and keeps those MIC contractors in silk shirts and Cuban cigars.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Here's an easy macro to determine my answer to a question:

    Does whatever is in question make the government more transparent?

    If yes: Yes
    If no: Do other things
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    If there's nothing in it that's new it won't last long in the news cycle.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Do you ever respond or is picking an emoticon the extent of your abilities?
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    That torture is a partisan issue should be very frightening to a lot of people.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Yes, government operations of all kinds should be as transparent as possible. A better option that was not included in the poll would be to stop torturing people altogether.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    No impact.
    It's not as if this info. is a secret.
    I think gov't agencies just oppose any releases of information.
    Possibly for legitimate reasons, but mostly to avoid embarrassment.
    If the result of that "embarrassment" were "damages relations with important country X upon whose partnership we depend", then would that not be a legitimate reason?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    I remember when Iran's Ahmadinejad was considered the new Hitler.
    Now, Iran is helping against ISIS.
    Rouhani makes the Iranian threat less immediate, if no less real. But the threat is less directly aimed at us, except inasmuch as we are the Great Satan. Israel is the one under existential threat, there. Ahmadenijad was nutter, but also mad as a hatter. Rouhani has the same core beliefs, but is smoother at enacting them, and thus more willing to stick to a longer term game plan. So ole A-Jad would have tried to wipe out the Jews because it was Wednesday and his eggs were scrambled when he likes them over-easy, but would have maybe struck before he was capable. Rouhani will engage in endless negotiations in order to actually achieve capability at an undefined point in the future.

    True for now.
    But if the bad guys ahead of them in line, are beaten down, the Taliban will be targeted again.
    I'm fine with that. MMO claims the title of Emir al Mu'minin. That's the title Abubakr al-Baghdadi claims as well. Both intend their movements to eventually take over the world, the Taliban are simply currently more geographically focused than ISIL is.

    But as we focus on ISIS, Al Qaeda will be said to have reconstituted and, therefore, will resume being the current bad guy du jour in the ME.
    AQ never stopped being the bad guy, but they aren't limited to the ME anymore, nor were they really ever.

    My point is, this ME snakepit will always produce a new bad guy which is a recipe for endless war.
    I think you should take a look at North Africa.

    Not worth it IMHO.
    Oh. So, you're a farmer, then?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Or...maybe...people would like to see what was done in our name, with our money, using the power we give our government. Can't be that though.
    Contra Mrs Pelosi, Democrats in the Congress were briefed on this when it was going on. I'm sure that is what they tell others, and what they tell themselves. I'm also pretty sure that if they were morally horrified at the notion that we might trade Abu McSlayTheChildrenOfTheInfedels being uncomfy for a few hours in return for saving dozens or hundreds of lives, they had the opportunity to speak up and chose not to.

    Also, I'm totally fine with secretive US organizations not doing things with their power that wouldn't hold up to scrutiny if known to the population they are serving. That's ok with me.
    Our problem is more that our public has unrealistic expectations. They think it works like a TV show.
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