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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya AO. That is the other concern. Those in Intel and contacts with networks that will have attempts upon their lives. That are not our people but those from other countries.

    Which I am sure most are aware of each other that are out in that game.
    Even John McCain, who was one of the most vocal Republicans objecting to water boarding and such 'enhanced interrogation techniques', is adamantly opposed to releasing the report to the media for that very reason.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post

    Right now, a stable ME is not the case. It will become stable, one way or the other. IS and other organizations are going to learn the world will only tolerate so much. Their moment in the Sun is going to be over soon.
    I think ISIS is/was an overblown threat.
    Whatever happened to those refugees on that mountain, awaiting certain death, anyhow?
    Yeah, they're a nasty group---one of many in the ME---what with all their beheadings, but they're also Assad's implacable foe.
    The ME is a bad neighborhood, best to avoid it.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Which is gov't code for... "We'll do whatever we want, whether you like it or not."

    Q: When will the right moment, when America is not on the world stage occur?
    A: Never.
    When we aren't fighting the people or engaged in the countries of which this would relate. When enough time has passed so that the US can effectively argue that whatever occurred is in the distant past.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    I think ISIS is/was an overblown threat.
    Whatever happened to those refugees on that mountain, awaiting certain death, anyhow?
    Yeah, they're a nasty group---one of many in the ME---what with all their beheadings, but they're also Assad's implacable foe.
    The ME is a bad neighborhood, best to avoid it.


    They have spread to Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, they have had Sudan and Benghazi Pledging support and giving them whole cities.

    Libya has 3 of the major Terrorist players out there.....all able to move Westward at anytime they choose. How is this threat overblown?

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They have spread to Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, they have had Sudan and Benghazi Pledging support and giving them whole cities.

    Libya has 3 of the major Terrorist players out there.....all able to move Westward at anytime they choose. How is this threat overblown?
    They haven't spread to Pakistan...they were always there..India..not so much..Now Syria..is another piece of cake.we all watched the gassings of women and children...why didn't we intervene?..No oil?..until Putin spoke up..Leave Syria alone..I will deal with it..Shades of WW3...so it was poopy pants time..

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    They haven't spread to Pakistan...they were always there..India..not so much..Now Syria..is another piece of cake.we all watched the gassings of women and children...why didn't we intervene?..No oil?..until Putin spoke up..Leave Syria alone..I will deal with it..Shades of WW3...so it was poopy pants time..
    Not followers of ISIS......AQ was always there. Thats both Afghanistan and Pakistan. So yes they have spread to both.

    Now they have supporters in India.

    Libya is the real treat.....3 major terrorist networks and all can move west at will.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I fixed your post for you. This is the entirety of my point. Until they are convicted in court it is simply the assumption of a fallible human being that they're guilty. You seem to think that government workers should have the ability to waive someone's right to trial and right to not be tortured, I don't.

    If it were Americans would you think differently? What if an NSA agent thought you were a threat to America? Should he be able to permanently detain and torture you without trial? He thinks you're guilty so that's enough right?

    I would also get off your high horse. If they're being tortured they're already imprisoned and aren't endangering anyone. The examples of where torture has prevented future attacks are extremely few and far between.
    It's not for you to decide who is sitting on a high horse. I would apply the same words to you. Your High Horse is causing you to project and theorize that which is not in evidence. I have great concern for almighty governments. For example, I reject the current effort by the Administration in the White House, and in Congress to govern through super agencies like the EPA and others.

    When it comes to methods used in combat/conflict, I am less inclined to be concerned. Frankly, I would even consider using exactly the same methods used by our enemies, but then again, we are not holdouts from the evolutionary process, as many people in these areas of conflict clearly are.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Not followers of ISIS......AQ was always there. Thats both Afghanistan and Pakistan. So yes they have spread to both.

    Now they have supporters in India.

    Libya is the real treat.....3 major terrorist networks and all can move west at will.
    These places are 3rd world countries..who do you think is financing them?

    Half of them have no shoes..

    I think it is Saudi..

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    I think ISIS is/was an overblown threat.
    Whatever happened to those refugees on that mountain, awaiting certain death, anyhow?
    Yeah, they're a nasty group---one of many in the ME---what with all their beheadings, but they're also Assad's implacable foe.
    The ME is a bad neighborhood, best to avoid it.
    I think ISIS is a far greater threat than people know.

    As to what happened to those refugees?

    I think something like what is shown in this video taken from a targeting sight on an Apache Longbow attack helicopter.

    WARNING - The video is from FLIR and is explicit.

    http://t.co/7y4mTryb7d

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They have spread to Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, they have had Sudan and Benghazi Pledging support and giving them whole cities.
    I'm certain that all these countries also entertain Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and various other terrorist gangs.

    Libya has 3 of the major Terrorist players out there.....all able to move Westward at anytime they choose.
    Move westward and accomplish what exactly?

    How is this threat overblown?
    The fact that there are multiple terrorist gangs vying for power undermines their ability to do much damage.
    Their internecine battles will keep them weak.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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