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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But how pure are those values if we comiting acts of torture that dehumanise its victims?
    Pure enough to being willing to live with the consequences. Can't imagine a more pure value than to be willing to sacrifice one's future for the greater good.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    I voted no. The report should absolutely be available to those with oversight authority in government or others with a need to know and no part of it should be buried from scrutiny. But, I have been listening to people in a position to know--both left and right--who are concerned that a release of the report to the mass media would put our allies and our own agents in the field at high risk as well as generate more destructive civil chaos among those just itching for an excuse to participate in such destructive civil chaos. The objectionable practices cited in the report ceased several years before the end of the Bush administration and there is no good reason to put people who had no part in any of that at higher risk just to embarrass somebody now.
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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

    Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

    The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

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    Absolutely not. There is no reason to reignite the issue at such an important time for the United States on the world stage. It should be sealed and held in abeyance for a sufficiently long set period of time.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I generally agree if the expertise we're talking about is that held by those in the military and not those in the political realm that try to guide/rule them. More and more it seems, the political side is getting too involved in the operational side of the military, particularly in the new reality of our "war on terrorism". Because of that, because Obama as an example seems to be knee deep in micromanaging the military, according to the last three Defense Secretaries, I'd be in favour of all the politics being totally transparent and out in the open. This is why I would favour disclosing the "political" investigations, from both sides of the aisle, and letting the average citizen see what's going on. No matter which side is doing the meddling, the public should know.

    As for what the military and associated agencies do in practice, I'm far less interested in knowing. War is ugly and not for the timid or weak of stomach. If we're going to be engaged in war, I'm all for letting those with the expertise in waging war do what needs to be done - as you say, get results. It's the politics I'm concerned about.
    I am in 100% agreement with the sentiment and qualifier expressed in your post CJ. Political issues, lay it out there. Money, influence, itinerary, everything. Military? I wouldn't question a word you wrote.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post

    That Need 2 Know Basis. So to speak.
    It seems that most governments don't want their citizens to know anything about anything.
    What it boils down to is.....all these messy revelations are extremely embarrassing to gov't apparatchiks.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Yeah, I think China just pays the monetary price, no matter how high.
    I would also opine that our endless quest to keep oil supplies moving is only marginally influenced by our human rights concerns.



    Too many of our allies in the oil consuming nations, let America do the heavy lifting.....China included.
    Military excursions are so costly, in blood and treasure , it would be cheaper for the USA to pay the higher price per bbl. that MIGHT result from our non-intervention.
    I think careful analysis would find that it is far less costly to be the biggest cop in the room, than it is to be the one dependent on the biggest cop to act. Our allies and trade partners need energy, the world needs energy, and a stable supply, and for that matter, a stable ME is needed.

    Right now, a stable ME is not the case. It will become stable, one way or the other. IS and other organizations are going to learn the world will only tolerate so much. Their moment in the Sun is going to be over soon.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Absolutely not. There is no reason to reignite the issue at such an important time for the United States on the world stage. .
    Which is gov't code for... "We'll do whatever we want, whether you like it or not."

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Violence abroad? Pretty sure that's already happening, as everyone has strongly suspected for years now what the writing on the wall has always been: that the USA is torturing people against UN conventions, in many different theaters.

    What they're actually afraid of is how the American public will react. With it kept under wraps, people can pretend like it isn't happening and engage in the usual apologism that we always see. Our country is in heavy, heavy denial about what our government has been doing the past 15 years. It's time to wake up.

    They should release the full report. I for one want to know what's in it. The government answers to the People and we will be shown this information, not "request" it from our government.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I voted no. The report should absolutely be available to those with oversight authority in government or others with a need to know and no part of it should be buried from scrutiny. But, I have been listening to people in a position to know--both left and right--who are concerned that a release of the report to the mass media would put our allies and our own agents in the field at high risk as well as generate more destructive civil chaos among those just itching for an excuse to participate in such destructive civil chaos. The objectionable practices cited in the report ceased several years before the end of the Bush administration and there is no good reason to put people who had no part in any of that at higher risk just to embarrass somebody now.

    Heya AO. That is the other concern. Those in Intel and contacts with networks that will have attempts upon their lives. That are not our people but those from other countries.

    Which I am sure most are aware of each other that are out in that game.

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    Re: Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, thank goodness an objective mind has solved the case.

    My turn. I think they have remarkable respect for human rights and use whatever means necessary to ensure people are protected from those who they think seek to eliminate their right to exist in the greatest number possible.
    I fixed your post for you. This is the entirety of my point. Until they are convicted in court it is simply the assumption of a fallible human being that they're guilty. You seem to think that government workers should have the ability to waive someone's right to trial and right to not be tortured, I don't.

    If it were Americans would you think differently? What if an NSA agent thought you were a threat to America? Should he be able to permanently detain and torture you without trial? He thinks you're guilty so that's enough right?

    I would also get off your high horse. If they're being tortured they're already imprisoned and aren't endangering anyone. The examples of where torture has prevented future attacks are extremely few and far between.
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