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Thread: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Journalists are about as honest as politicians.
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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    I voted Other, and here is my explanation for that view -- the media is beholden to the government and the government is beholden to them and has penetrated their ranks. That is true. What also is true is that some of the organizations are horrifically partisan. Their bias is not logical. But it is their job to be biased, so they enjoy the checks as they're cashin' 'em. Print media suffers from a lot of the same drawbacks that the mainstream TV news does. They get pressed on by the government, are beholden to them for information, have been penetrated by the Security Services and rely on sensationalist headlines to draw people to read their paper, be it an actual paper or their digitized content, because they are also beholden to investors and an owner and etc etc because they're a business. They have to be to broadcast the news of the day.

    There are more flaws, but here's why I chose Other -- the media will crucify the government from time-to-time. If you ever have the inclination, peruse newspaper archives. The media has beaten the government over the head with so many, many different things over the years. It is a natural conflict written into the U.S. Constitution. The Founding Fathers knew that an aware and educated populace would keep the ship running steadily ahead. Obviously, 200+ years later, there's 316,000,000+ of us now inhabiting this land. An aware and educated populace today would put an end to the exploits the government today and all of 'em before have thoroughly enjoyed. The media tries to inform us, but people nowadays are just not interested in knowing what's going on in the world outside of their friends and family. They'd rather watch the NFL and drink a cold beer any day of the week instead of scrolling through Google News. Such is life.

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    I'll just focus on their written formats, the televisions formats can be far more problematic as they work with a 24/7 model that pushes them to just fill in time with second-rate journalism on some horrible thing that happened.

    Mainstream Media is bias when it wants to be, reliable when it wants to be, and trustworthy until they have a reason not to be. Most of the stuff MM sources put out on a daily basis are more less accurate unless it's like the RT or some popular ultra right-wing/left-wing site -- Fox can be pretty bad, but it's not RT bad, that's just a Russian propaganda site. CNN, BBC, NBC, CBS, NY Times, CNBC, Wall Street Journal, and other such major sources can range from decent to great.

    Non-mainstream sites are hardly superior in quality if you're just using popularity of use to divide the two. Al Jazeera is great for a lot of things, but you won't see them paying enough time to that backwards, slave driving petrostate they call home, ya know, Qatar. NPR and PBS are great, no doubt.

    I guess the teller in quality is how they handle the more sensitive and high profile of stories and how much attention they past to major affairs outside the sphere of the developed world and developing world power player.

    Non-mainstream sources are far more likely to fall towards fringe sentiments and spew unfounded nonsense, so you need to be more careful with that on a normal basis as opposed to mainstream sources bending the facts to support their narrative, or their owner's narrative, that is. Though, they can also be great and call attention to less....followed situations and stories around the country or the world if it's global in scope.

    Anyway, all sources are bias by default, that's just how it is. Reliable? For the mainstream, usually, though this can vary when the big stories come around. Trustworthy? It varies, they were pretty atrocious with the Ferguson mess and even worse with the Ebola business (though they never gave false information, they stirred up false fears).

    All I can say is get your news from multiple sources, several at the least and not all of the same national origin or general political sway ( if it caters heavily to liberal or conservative views, you need to diversify a bit).

    Oh, and yea, pay attention.

    I mean it was hilarious how many people were surprised by the NSA revelations by Snowden when articles had been out by all the major news sites in this nation about companies handing over client info to the government and general, unlawful surveillance of the American people a few years before.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The USA is funding Egypt again, now that they have a military dictatorship back in control. The CIA's General Hafter is still working to get his "cred" up in Libya now that we got that no-good scumbag that gave the people free housing, free education through University, free food, and free water in the desert. Those starving schmucks must be happy now that they got equality and they're all free to be poverty stricken. We got rid of that bastard that wasted his time helping the people instead of Western Corporations. And just as soon as we can get a nice malleable dictator running that country, we'll get that OIL working again. But there ain't gonna be any more of them social freebies provided by the Nation's patrimony. That's gonna be our OIL under their dirt, eh?
    This is hilarious you bring up Libya. You do realize that BP signed a deal with Libya's leader (not going to butcher his name) for "OIL" right? We didn't need to go to war for "OIL". What a joke.

    Also, I like how you just gloss over the fact that Egypt for a time wasn't ruled by an ally of the US. So I assume you admit then that Egypt wasn't carried out by CIA moles?

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    ** War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda** :* Information Clearing House - ICH
    War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda
    By John Pilger
    "Why are young journalists not taught to understand media agendas and to challenge the high claims and low purpose of fake objectivity? And why are they not taught that the essence of so much of what's called the mainstream media is not information, but power? These are urgent questions. The world is facing the prospect of major war, perhaps nuclear war - with the United States clearly determined to isolate and provoke Russia and eventually China. This truth is being turned upside down and inside out by journalists, including those who promoted the lies that led to the bloodbath in Iraq in 2003. The times we live in are so dangerous and so distorted in public perception that propaganda is no longer, as Edward Bernays called it, an "invisible government". It is the government. It rules directly without fear of contradiction and its principal aim is the conquest of us: our sense of the world, our ability to separate truth from lies."..snip "In 2003, I filmed an interview in Washington with Charles Lewis, the distinguished American investigative journalist. We discussed the invasion of Iraq a few months earlier. I asked him, "What if the freest media in the world had seriously challenged George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld and investigated their claims, instead of channeling what turned out to be crude propaganda?" He replied that if we journalists had done our job "there is a very, very good chance we would have not gone to war in Iraq." That's a shocking statement, and one supported by other famous journalists to whom I put the same question. Dan Rather, formerly of CBS, gave me the same answer. David Rose of the Observer and senior journalists and producers in the BBC, who wished to remain anonymous, gave me the same answer. In other words, had journalists done their job, had they questioned and investigated the propaganda instead of amplifying it, hundreds of thousands of men, women and children might be alive today; and millions might not have fled their homes; the sectarian war between Sunni and Shia might not have ignited, and the infamous Islamic State might not now exist. Even now, despite the millions who took to the streets in protest, most of the public in western countries have little idea of the sheer scale of the crime committed by our governments in Iraq. Even fewer are aware that, in the 12 years before the invasion, the US and British governments set in motion a holocaust by denying the civilian population of Iraq a means to live."...
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    Rupert Murdoch is said to be the godfather of the media mob, and no one should doubt the augmented power of his newspapers - all 127 of them, with a combined circulation of 40 million, and his Fox network. But the influence of Murdoch's empire is no greater than its reflection of the wider media. The most effective propaganda is found not in the Sun or on Fox News - but beneath a liberal halo. When the New York Times published claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, its fake evidence was believed, because it wasn't Fox News; it was the New York Times. The same is true of the Washington Post and the Guardian, both of which have played a critical role in conditioning their readers to accept a new and dangerous cold war. All three liberal newspapers have misrepresented events in Ukraine as a malign act by Russia - when, in fact, the fascist led coup in Ukraine was the work of the United States, aided by Germany and Nato. This inversion of reality is so pervasive that Washington's military encirclement and intimidation of Russia is not contentious. It's not even news, but suppressed behind a smear and scare campaign of the kind I grew up with during the first cold war."
    ** War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda** :* Information Clearing House - ICH

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    Is our MSM infiltrated by intelligence agencies?

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    I'm convinced Dave Fagan has dreams where oil companies in human form beat him to death with sacks full of fiat dollars and then rob him of his gold.

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    This is hilarious you bring up Libya. You do realize that BP signed a deal with Libya's leader (not going to butcher his name) for "OIL" right? We didn't need to go to war for "OIL". What a joke.

    Also, I like how you just gloss over the fact that Egypt for a time wasn't ruled by an ally of the US. So I assume you admit then that Egypt wasn't carried out by CIA moles?
    I admit no such thing. Quoth Hilary, "we came, we saw, he's dead," when asked about Libya. You don't seem to remember the signature flags being waved around before we bombed the crap out of a Nation that was an example for all of Africa. The USA is and was wrong, morally and ethically, to have bombed a Nation that was no threat to us, once again. The reason we bombed them is because Qaddaffi was teaching Africans how to develop their own resources without Western hegemony. BP is a British corporation, don't ya' know?

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I admit no such thing. Quoth Hilary, "we came, we saw, he's dead," when asked about Libya. You don't seem to remember the signature flags being waved around before we bombed the crap out of a Nation that was an example for all of Africa. The USA is and was wrong, morally and ethically, to have bombed a Nation that was no threat to us, once again. The reason we bombed them is because Qaddaffi was teaching Africans how to develop their own resources without Western hegemony. BP is a British corporation, don't ya' know?
    You did say "Western Corporations" in your previous post. Great Britain is part of the west, don't ya know?

    And besides, that's not the reason we bombed Libya. Hell, if it were up to the US, we wouldn't of been involved in the first place. But the real reason for us having to do it, was that there was a large influx of refugees coming from your model nation, and the Euros had to do something about it. Of course, the Euros couldn't even handle this situation on their own, thus is why we were dragged in.

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm convinced Dave Fagan has dreams where oil companies in human form beat him to death with sacks full of fiat dollars and then rob him of his gold.
    Metaphorically, they rob us all. They leave behind the cause of Global Warming and do all in their power to prevent mitigation options, specifically renewable energies. Their lobbyists always work hard for permanent war because energy fuels wars (tanks, planes, ships, transport) and the first profits of war go to the Big Energy Corporations. They beat us to death by making a big mess, and since they are Corporate, fictitious entities, don't have liability and we are robbed cleaning up the mess. I addressed your nonsense metaphor in real world scenarios. Try to learn from that.

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You did say "Western Corporations" in your previous post. Great Britain is part of the west, don't ya know?

    And besides, that's not the reason we bombed Libya. Hell, if it were up to the US, we wouldn't of been involved in the first place. But the real reason for us having to do it, was that there was a large influx of refugees coming from your model nation, and the Euros had to do something about it. Of course, the Euros couldn't even handle this situation on their own, thus is why we were dragged in.
    I see. We bombed the **** out of them causing thousands and thousands of deaths to help them out, don't ya' know? We, once again, attacked a Nation that was no threat to the USA. There are lots of refugees fleeing Libya now, but not before we screwed up the Nation. Now we have the CIA General Hafter trying to get a leadership position, just like our machinations in Ukraine. We're the bad guys. That's a clue.

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