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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Their not lying, just not providing the proper context. There certainly doing a disservice to their viewers, but they're still not lying. It's very similar to how politicians speak. Like when Obama talks about how far deficits have dropped during his administration, like "largest deficit reduction since the second world war" is something that floats around. What he neglects to point out is how it has skyrocketed under his administrations to levels never before seen.

    Context matters.
    To me, lying by omission is still lying. Especially if it's done consciously. What you choose to not say has a definite impact on how others perceive a piece of information.

    In a general sense I believe that our media has devolved to this level over the past several decades. They're not necessarily outright lying, but they are often lying by omission, which has the same end result.
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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    To me, lying by omission is still lying. Especially if it's done consciously. What you choose to not say has a definite impact on how others perceive a piece of information.

    In a general sense I believe that our media has devolved to this level over the past several decades. They're not necessarily outright lying, but they are often lying by omission, which has the same end result.
    Part of the problem is that the media isn't just trying to tell you the news, but also provide context with it. And when you do that, you are inevitably going to leave things out. I mean, say a segment about ISIS is ten minutes long. There's no way you can go into the complete history of the organization in that amount of time, but you still have to find a way. And this is where a lot of cutting down to fit comes into place. You see, not always are they leaving some out to deceive, sometimes they just don't have enough time. Especially with Cable news, where they have and audience that expects a certain slant. Or if not a slant, then at least to hear about things they want to hear about. I mean, it's no different than if you go on Youtube or a website, you're looking for news or information that interest you.

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Part of the problem is that the media isn't just trying to tell you the news, but also provide context with it. And when you do that, you are inevitably going to leave things out. I mean, say a segment about ISIS is ten minutes long. There's no way you can go into the complete history of the organization in that amount of time, but you still have to find a way. And this is where a lot of cutting down to fit comes into place. You see, not always are they leaving some out to deceive, sometimes they just don't have enough time. Especially with Cable news, where they have and audience that expects a certain slant. Or if not a slant, then at least to hear about things they want to hear about. I mean, it's no different than if you go on Youtube or a website, you're looking for news or information that interest you.
    Granted, but some omissions are more glaring than others.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Part of the problem is that the media isn't just trying to tell you the news, but also provide context with it. And when you do that, you are inevitably going to leave things out. I mean, say a segment about ISIS is ten minutes long. There's no way you can go into the complete history of the organization in that amount of time, but you still have to find a way. And this is where a lot of cutting down to fit comes into place. You see, not always are they leaving some out to deceive, sometimes they just don't have enough time. Especially with Cable news, where they have and audience that expects a certain slant. Or if not a slant, then at least to hear about things they want to hear about. I mean, it's no different than if you go on Youtube or a website, you're looking for news or information that interest you.
    ISIS is an excellent example. How much time does any western MSM spend stating that the CIA has been arming many Islamic Fundamentalists that then fight on the side of ISIS. It's probably a coincidence that fear of ISIS, Islamic Fundamentalists, and Muslims generate much larger Military Defense/Offense budgets, or it's creative marketing. We de-stabilized Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Ukraine, Syria, etc., but most USA think we are the victims in those Nations. Again, creative marketing and the MIC profits handsomely and that is Vulture Capitalism at its' finest, eh? The MSM can lead us in to or out of this morass of creative marketing, but they are bought and sold to the highest bidder and again it appears to be the beneficiaries of permanent war that buy the commercial airtime. That's why the question asks "unbiased," "reliable," and "trustworthy." There is more to be considered than meets the naked eye, don't ya' know? ISIS, Syria, ME, Energy, and pipelines are what the ME instability is about and how much detail does the MSM analyze of that?

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    ISIS is an excellent example. How much time does any western MSM spend stating that the CIA has been arming many Islamic Fundamentalists that then fight on the side of ISIS. It's probably a coincidence that fear of ISIS, Islamic Fundamentalists, and Muslims generate much larger Military Defense/Offense budgets, or it's creative marketing. We de-stabilized Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Ukraine, Syria, etc., but most USA think we are the victims in those Nations. Again, creative marketing and the MIC profits handsomely and that is Vulture Capitalism at its' finest, eh? The MSM can lead us in to or out of this morass of creative marketing, but they are bought and sold to the highest bidder and again it appears to be the beneficiaries of permanent war that buy the commercial airtime. That's why the question asks "unbiased," "reliable," and "trustworthy." There is more to be considered than meets the naked eye, don't ya' know? ISIS, Syria, ME, Energy, and pipelines are what the ME instability is about and how much detail does the MSM analyze of that?
    Point of order: Did we cause the Arab Spring? No? Then you can't say destabilized any of the middle eastern countries involved. And bringing up Ukraine is ridiculous, the people or Ukraine, (at the very least those in the west).

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    No to "are the main stream media" unbiased. That is such a subjective question that it is very difficult to honesty determine. But I believe as a whole most main stream media are biased up to a point.

    But largely "yes" to both the reliable and trustworthy when it comes to most subjects of news. Sadly there are examples of news media failing to be trustworthy and reliable. Foxnews is mostly reliable when it comes to news stories but looses a lot if talking heads get involved in the reporting of that news, that too happens with MSNBC and CNN.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Point of order: Did we cause the Arab Spring? No? Then you can't say destabilized any of the middle eastern countries involved. And bringing up Ukraine is ridiculous, the people or Ukraine, (at the very least those in the west).
    CIA orchestrates "Color Revolutions" and their fingerprints are all over the "Arab Spring." If Nations won't play the energy game our US/CORPORATE/Big energy way, then we de-stabilize them and try to install a flunkie/stooge that will cooperate with our agenda. IF you haven't noticed, we have a Corporate Government and the SCOTUS says they are citizens. He who has the gold makes the rules, and that is not the lowly taxpaying donkey, like you or I. The CIA was chartered to help USA CORPORATIONS overseas and has expanded its' role domestically and within the US Military. I think their mission creep includes world domination by economic manipulation of Central Banks and Bankers.

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    CIA orchestrates "Color Revolutions" and their fingerprints are all over the "Arab Spring." If Nations won't play the energy game our US/CORPORATE/Big energy way, then we de-stabilize them and try to install a flunkie/stooge that will cooperate with our agenda. IF you haven't noticed, we have a Corporate Government and the SCOTUS says they are citizens. He who has the gold makes the rules, and that is not the lowly taxpaying donkey, like you or I. The CIA was chartered to help USA CORPORATIONS overseas and has expanded its' role domestically and within the US Military. I think their mission creep includes world domination by economic manipulation of Central Banks and Bankers.
    All of that is completely debunked with the first two countries in the Arab Spring; Tunisia and Egypt. With Tunisia (a very unreported, but also only success of the Arab Spring) that started with Mohamed Bouazizi, a Tunisian street vendor, who set himself on fire on in protest of the confiscation of his wares and the harassment and humiliation that he reported was inflicted on him by a municipal official and her aides. So are you proposing that Bouazizi was secretly a CIA Agent? Or maybe it was in Egypt that we got involved, where the Arab Spring ousted long time US Ally Hosni Mubarak and was replaced by a militant Islamic organization?

    The Arab Spring had nothing to do with the CIA or the "Corporate Government", and everything to do with the piss poor quality of life for the average Arab, and a collection of leaders in the Middle East that are pretty much ****. I don't see how anyone could ever see anything else, except for a deep seeded hatred of the US. (Not mistrust mind you, it's fine to but cautious, but when you hate someone, you find a way to blame them from whatever. Like Republicans do with Obama, or Democrats with Bush, everything is there fault and it can never be something else.)

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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Is anyone in the news media up for calling out the same government that could have you tortured in an unknown location?

    See how that works?
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    Re: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    All of that is completely debunked with the first two countries in the Arab Spring; Tunisia and Egypt. With Tunisia (a very unreported, but also only success of the Arab Spring) that started with Mohamed Bouazizi, a Tunisian street vendor, who set himself on fire on in protest of the confiscation of his wares and the harassment and humiliation that he reported was inflicted on him by a municipal official and her aides. So are you proposing that Bouazizi was secretly a CIA Agent? Or maybe it was in Egypt that we got involved, where the Arab Spring ousted long time US Ally Hosni Mubarak and was replaced by a militant Islamic organization?

    The Arab Spring had nothing to do with the CIA or the "Corporate Government", and everything to do with the piss poor quality of life for the average Arab, and a collection of leaders in the Middle East that are pretty much ****. I don't see how anyone could ever see anything else, except for a deep seeded hatred of the US. (Not mistrust mind you, it's fine to but cautious, but when you hate someone, you find a way to blame them from whatever. Like Republicans do with Obama, or Democrats with Bush, everything is there fault and it can never be something else.)
    The USA is funding Egypt again, now that they have a military dictatorship back in control. The CIA's General Hafter is still working to get his "cred" up in Libya now that we got that no-good scumbag that gave the people free housing, free education through University, free food, and free water in the desert. Those starving schmucks must be happy now that they got equality and they're all free to be poverty stricken. We got rid of that bastard that wasted his time helping the people instead of Western Corporations. And just as soon as we can get a nice malleable dictator running that country, we'll get that OIL working again. But there ain't gonna be any more of them social freebies provided by the Nation's patrimony. That's gonna be our OIL under their dirt, eh?

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