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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    I think that history will look back on America as one of the greatest countries on the planet. America has spread its ideals more then any other country on the planet has ever done so. It has lead the world in technology, art, and freedom. And in the past, it has tried its best to export that freedom of expression to other people. However, America has not been the same since after WW2. After WW2 there has been a deliberate try from the liberals to destroy this country. This disease that has infected this country comes directly from Russian influence. They have infiltrated our country and have worked to destroy it thru the feminist/Marxist movement to the anti-war/anti-America movement. Americans are completely ignorant to this, but as someone that can see this from the outside, it is quite obvious what is going on. The feminist/anti-war movement is a product of Russian influence to destabilize our country..
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    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What evidence do you have the the countries listed higher than us fail to report all of the deaths?
    I later edited to throw in a source for you.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well first of all, I think those positions are so rare that I doubt they'd make a significant impact. Besides, I honestly don't know that I've seen many liberals rally against either, most especially the breastfeeding. Honestly, and I hate it when I see it, but I've seen the anti-vaccination arguments more from "don't trust anything the government tells you" conservative types.
    The difference between our infant mortality rate and the best in the world is .3% and 2% of parents dont think vaccinations are safe so that could account for a lot of it.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is stupid.

    The question is not is America the greatest nation on Earth. The answer to that is patently obvious.

    The question is: "Is America the greatest nation of all time." now that would be an interesting discussion.
    Yes, and Yes.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think there is a problem with thinking the US is the "greatest" country. It leads people to become complacent. We should never assume superiority, and we should always strive for better.
    Where's the incentive, exactly, in doing anything better if we're just supposed to believe this is a crappy country regardless of what we do or don't do?

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    To answer your original question (as a non-American) -- is America the greatest nation on earth?

    On some fields yes, on some no. Perhaps it's a manner of debate if you're the greatest nation on more fields than any other nation.


    Now a bit more specific:

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    My thoughts: Yes, this is the greatest nation on earth. Below are some of the reasons....

    - We're the richest. We have more money than any other nation on earth and it ain't close.
    Yes and no. You also have hilarious amounts of debt. And your economy is not as stable as many others. Take away the leading role of the dollar, and it doesn't look so rosy anymore. Also, your producing sector is much worse than in case of other countries (such as Germany ).

    Also, while there may be more money in America than anywhere else (not counting tiny countries such as Luxemburg, which basically are just big banks with a border around them, that provide citizenship for its employees), it is not as well distributed as in other countries which have a little bit less. While America is perhaps the one large Western country with the biggest GDP, it's perhaps also the one Western country with the largest number of poor people, and the one Western country with the worst poverty problems.

    On the GINI Index, that measures the distribution of wealth (and 0 means total equality, while 1 means total inequality), America ranks at ca. 0.4, IIRC. Canada, New Zealand, Australia and much of Europe is somewhere between 0.2 and 0.35.

    - We're the smartest. We have something like over half of the world's Nobel Prize winners. Our universities are the top ranked in the world.
    That's true.

    But here too, it goes what was said about the distribution of wealth. America is the one Western country with the very best schools and elite universities. But it is also the one Western country with the largest number of very bad and below average schools and universities.

    In many European countries, such as Germany, most universities are solid average. IIRC, there are only two or three German universities that appear on top 20 lists. But on the other side, you don't find many genuinely bad universities in Germany either. And Scandinavia is worldwide leading when it comes to quality education in schools, only challenged by some schools in East Asia (see PISA studies).

    - We're the most industrial. Modern industry as you know it was invented and perfected in the US of A.
    Yes. But that's past. Today, America does not produce remotely as much anymore as it consumes.

    - We kick ass. Most powerful military in the history of human civilization relative to our contemporaries
    100 points on that field!

    - We're not sissies - looking at you, France
    Again, 100 points! No need for French bashing, though. Rather bash today's Germans.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    - We innovate. We invented pretty much everything in existence in the modern world, and that trend is continuing.
    Agreed on that field. Though you have increasingly strong competition in East Asia.

    - We sent a man to the moon for christ's sake. That was 50 years ago. No other nation has yet to be able to do it, even today.
    One can argue that the manned moon landing was mostly a not really economically useful publicity stunt during the Cold War. For the sake of scientific research for reasonable costs, unmanned space exploration is more feasible. And on that field, the Russians, Europe are not bad too and China is catching up.

    But let's not be a nitpicker here. 100 points for the moon landing!

    - We don't have stupid royalty or aristocracies. America is the only country on earth where going rags to riches is truly seen as possible.
    Strong disagreement. In fact, most Europeans make fun of this American notion, as America is the one Western country where it's most difficult these days to escape poverty, and nowhere else in the West, prospects are so bad for poor people. Once poor, always poor -- that's more likely happening in America than in Western Europe, Canada or Australia.

    - We dominate the global political scene. If America wants something done, such as a treaty, it gets done.
    100 points on this field!

    - Other nations need us more than we need them.
    100 points again! Related to America's exceptional military power and capacities, as well as the dominance of the US dollar as international currency.

    - We utterly dominate popular culture and the arts - Hollywood baby. ALL the movies that seen by a broad audience are American. We invented rock and roll, the blues, rap, hip hop, and all the modern media. We invented television, and pretty much everything that goes on it.
    I'd say 80 points on that field. You certainly dominate pop culture in the West. But especially in non-Western countries, local cultures are still very strong and can easily compete with the American influence.
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Let's look at a few of the inventions that make the modern world what it is today:

    Antibiotics: A Scottish guy.
    Internal Combustion engine: Belgian
    Telephone: Scottish guy in Canada
    Microchip: British guy
    Television: A brit, a German, and a Scot invented the precursors, a pair of Russians invented the first television based on their work.
    Computer: A brit if you count Babbage, Turing, or Flowers. A German if you go with Kuse.
    Cars: a German
    Satellites: Russians
    Spaceship: Russians
    Light Bulbs: Americans
    Airplanes: Americans

    On that list, the US has TWO things. Hell, the first personal computer was made by Italians. We often assume things are invented by Americans, when they aren't.
    Not exactly a random sample, eh? Two can play this game.

    The Lathe - America (Thomas Blanchard, 1822)
    Electromagnetic Induction - America (Joseph Henry, 1831)
    Morse Code - America (Sam Morse, 1838)
    Telephone - America (Alexander Graham Bell, 1876)
    Phonograph - America (Thomas Edison, 1877)
    Light Bulb - America (Thomas Edison, 1878)
    Process for economically producing Aluminum - America (Charles Martin Hall, 1886)
    DC electric motor. (Frank Julian Sprague, 1886)
    Airplane - America (Wright Bros, 1903)
    Transistor - America (John Bardeen, 1947)
    Hydraulic Fracking - America (Floyd Farrisand, 1947)

    From the 1950's onward...

    December 20, 1951: First use of nuclear power to produce electricity for households in Arco, Idaho

    Solar Battery - Bell Telephone, 1954

    The first PC used by one person and controlled by a keyboard, the IBM 610 was invented in 1957 by IBM.

    Integrated circuit, America (1968 Jack Kilby)
    1958-60: The LASER. 'merica

    1969: The internet. America. (ARPANET first deployed via UCLA, SRI, UCSB, and The University of Utah.)

    1972: The first video game console, used primarily for playing video games on a TV, is the Magnavox Odyssey.

    1973: The first commercial graphical user interface was introduced in 1973 on the Xerox Alto. The modern GUI was later popularized by the Xerox Star and Apple Lisa.

    1975: Altair 8800 was the spark that ignited the microcomputer revolution.

    1973-75: The Internet protocol suite was developed by Vinton Cerf and Robert E. Kahn for the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) ARPANET, creating the basis for the modern Internet.

    Then in the 90's, we invented everything germane to the internet that we see today. Oh, and we invented the skyscraper.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You're just wrong there. The computer was not invented by Americans
    See my last post. Yes, it was.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    - We don't have stupid royalty or aristocracies. America is the only country on earth where going rags to riches is truly seen as possible.
    This is not even a little bit true. We have an aristocracy. We just don't codify it into law. Most industrialized nations (if not all of them) have more economic mobility than we do. Rags to riches is not only possible and celebrated in many other nations, it is more likely. In addition, other nations are doing a much better job of keeping people from having to start in rags in the first place.

    That we have an aristocracy and are in denial about it is probably the greatest flaw of this country. It is certainly one of the big things keeping us from greatness.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yeah, we used to be great.
    No, we really didn't. A century ago we glorified the KKK as national heroes. 72 years ago we stripped 100,000 American citizens of their rights and liberty without any due process. 50 years ago, we still had segregation. 41 years ago, we finally got the idea that a husband forcing himself on his wife was actually rape. 11 years ago, homosexuals could be jailed for having sex with each other.

    We won a big war in the 40s and we had an economic boom for a couple of decades after that. We weren't great. We just had a good period. Greatness is something you have to earn every single day, and we have yet to even come close.

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    I think that we could be the greatest, if we could face our shortcomings and do the hard work to solve them. But I don't think we will. We like our myths and illusions too much. We like to think that we're the best, and we like to think that we had some kind of golden age. We like to lionize the WW2 generation, but we seem to forget that they were racist, sexist, homophobic, and religious bigots on a scale that would be completely intolerable today. We like the myth of the land of opportunity, even though we have some of the most concentrated and immobile wealth in the entire world. We are enamored with our own stories, and they blind us. Greatness is not something that we had in the past. It's not something we have now. It's something that we have to work really hard every day to earn in the future.

    Don't ever think that Americans who criticize this country do so out of hate. It's not hate. It's disappointment. This country could be so much better and when it fails to do so, it's tragic. But we're not trapped. We can improve. We could be the greatest.
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