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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Even if that's true about you and tom Brady (which are exceptional circumstances) its irrelevant. What's relevant is that its still unfair to both of you for others to effectively own your work, not to mention your less skilled piers. In the NFL the league office takes in like 60% of the income without really doing anything, and most NFL players think they do a crappy job at best. So in reality, it actually is unfair to the NFL players, who could and would make even more if they owned and controlled the league along with those that run concessions and take tickets and so on.

    Again it makes no sense to have these people at the top, who do little to nothing, and get paid the most for it. It would be a much better system if the people that make the business tick owned the business, or in certain specific instances the consumer (like green bay I'm all for that, but their is a reason the NFL made it so no one else can do that) owns it.

    Also that's your opinion you being their adds more value, what really matters is the opinions of those you work with, not the opinion of some idiot CEO that has never done any of the jobs he/she is hiring for.

    you seem to think ownership does nothing.....

    you couldnt be further from the truth

    but....i can see when i am wasting my time ....and this is one of them

    the people that work for me dont control my pay.....ownership does

    i control their pay.......

    and green bay sells shares, but those shareholders have ZERO say in running the franchise (you know that right?)

    and many have tried to "compete" with the NFL with a new league, new rules, new ownership......it failed every time

    i guess the owners of the NFL must have been doing "something" right after all

    and lastly.....ask any NFL player if they want to switch jobs with someone in the real world......the answer would be NO 100/100 times

    so i guess the players who sign collective bargaining rights know what they are getting into.......

    in ending....remember the one final rule......the golden one

    he who has the gold, makes the rules
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    you seem to think ownership does nothing.....

    you couldnt be further from the truth

    but....i can see when i am wasting my time ....and this is one of them

    the people that work for me dont control my pay.....ownership does

    i control their pay.......

    and green bay sells shares, but those shareholders have ZERO say in running the franchise (you know that right?)

    and many have tried to "compete" with the NFL with a new league, new rules, new ownership......it failed every time

    i guess the owners of the NFL must have been doing "something" right after all

    and lastly.....ask any NFL player if they want to switch jobs with someone in the real world......the answer would be NO 100/100 times

    so i guess the players who sign collective bargaining rights know what they are getting into.......

    in ending....remember the one final rule......the golden one

    he who has the gold, makes the rules
    That's a bs rule spouted by capitalist oligarchs.

    Ownership does do nothing. It sits on its butt and skims the cream off the top, not to mention delving into the milk to screw the employees.

    And yes I do realize that, its far from a perfect system in green bay, but is much better than the alternatives in the league.

    Pay should be split evenly according to how productive you are. Ownership does nothing, and therefore has no right to pay.

    The NFL has a monopoly. For the love of god they are specifically mentioned in tax code... How do you compete with that?

    Yes they are making money hand over fist and screwing their employees in the process.

    I never said or implied the players would change, that would seem to be very irrelevant to the discussion.

    Lastly when the gold is ill gotten through exploiting workers, (which it almost always is) and especially when its handed down to people through inheritance they never worked for, those people have no right to make any rules.

    Your post just shows a greedy capitalist mentality to work. Instead of a logical and fair one.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post

    Those with superior skills, or skills that the average person doesnt have, can write their own ticket most of the time

    I am in the top 2% paid of everyone on my profession around the country

    Why....because i am one of the best.....i have extra skills most dont bring to the table

    And i make the company i work for, even more profitable than they were

    Now if all you can do is work a register, or load a box......or some other mundane task.....yes, your wages will be lower

    And your job security is low at best.......

    What that tells me is those people need to learn additional skills, and better prepare themselves for todays world economy
    Well, if one were to be paid for one's skill at self-deprecation and understated modesty, you should certainly be amongst the top earners in the country. Mastery of the written word - perhaps less so.

    However, self-evident though your advice may appear, it is a bit like telling a poverty stricken family that what they need is more money. Basically, an accurate statement of fact, but of little practical utility. The issue confronting all our societies is that of social justice, which includes the provision of opportunities for everyone, particularly those of allegedly 'lesser' abilities.
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Well, if one were to be paid for one's skill at self-deprecation and understated modesty, you should certainly be amongst the top earners in the country. Mastery of the written word - perhaps less so.

    However, self-evident though your advice may appear, it is a bit like telling a poverty stricken family that what they need is more money. Basically, an accurate statement of fact, but of little practical utility. The issue confronting all our societies is that of social justice, which includes the provision of opportunities for everyone, particularly those of allegedly 'lesser' abilities.

    what you guys fail to understand, or refuse to comprehend is that everyone, repeat EVERYONE has opportunities

    we are all born with some traits, and earn other skills along the way

    some people take advantage of those opportunities......others throw them away

    you know it...i know it....everyone knows it

    not everyone will have a 140 iq....or the ability to be a doctor

    but everyone has some talents/skills.....and the ability to learn others

    the armed forces used to administer something called the asvab test (? think that was the name)....basically designed to tell where your best traits/skills were

    used it to determine what technical/training field they would assign you to

    when i took mine, i aced three sections of it.....and scored almost a zero on the 4th part (mechanical aptitude)

    was told i could have any job i wanted that didnt have a wrench as a tool

    no matter how hard i try...i could never be a mechanic....my mind doesnt work that way

    we all have our good skills, and our bad ones.......

    some people take advantage of what they were given......others do not

    but everyone has an opportunity.....i have seen too many rags to riches stories unfold around me

    you can blame people not succeeding on whatever you want......

    other than those who are truly handicapped (physically or mentally) mostly the failures can be blamed on the individuals themselves

    if that seems harsh...okay.....maybe it is

    my expectations for people are always higher than they expect for themselves

    one of the reasons i am successful in what i do
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Greatest Nation? That probably depends on you point of view. But the pubic views America as Sinking. At lease as a world power.

    Voters See A Sinking America - Rasmussen Reports™

    And then there is this, 51% think Americas best days are in the past:

    America's Best Days - Rasmussen Reports™
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    what you guys fail to understand, or refuse to comprehend is that everyone, repeat EVERYONE has opportunities

    we are all born with some traits, and earn other skills along the way

    some people take advantage of those opportunities......others throw them away

    you know it...i know it....everyone knows it

    not everyone will have a 140 iq....or the ability to be a doctor

    but everyone has some talents/skills.....and the ability to learn others

    the armed forces used to administer something called the asvab test (? think that was the name)....basically designed to tell where your best traits/skills were

    used it to determine what technical/training field they would assign you to

    when i took mine, i aced three sections of it.....and scored almost a zero on the 4th part (mechanical aptitude)

    was told i could have any job i wanted that didnt have a wrench as a tool

    no matter how hard i try...i could never be a mechanic....my mind doesnt work that way

    we all have our good skills, and our bad ones.......

    some people take advantage of what they were given......others do not

    but everyone has an opportunity.....i have seen too many rags to riches stories unfold around me

    you can blame people not succeeding on whatever you want......

    other than those who are truly handicapped (physically or mentally) mostly the failures can be blamed on the individuals themselves

    if that seems harsh...okay.....maybe it is

    my expectations for people are always higher than they expect for themselves

    one of the reasons i am successful in what i do
    What a crock...

    So your saying someone raised in the suburbs, with supportive parents, that goes to suburban school, has the same opportunities as someone raised in the city, with crack heads for parents, and goes to one of the worst schools in America? I think not...

    I'd you have seen soooooo many rags to riches story's, you probably don't know what rags are in the first place...
    Last edited by b_dubz; 12-18-14 at 04:15 PM.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    what you guys fail to understand, or refuse to comprehend is that everyone, repeat EVERYONE has opportunities

    we are all born with some traits, and earn other skills along the way

    some people take advantage of those opportunities......others throw them away

    you know it...i know it....everyone knows it

    not everyone will have a 140 iq....or the ability to be a doctor

    but everyone has some talents/skills.....and the ability to learn others

    the armed forces used to administer something called the asvab test (? think that was the name)....basically designed to tell where your best traits/skills were

    used it to determine what technical/training field they would assign you to

    when i took mine, i aced three sections of it.....and scored almost a zero on the 4th part (mechanical aptitude)

    was told i could have any job i wanted that didnt have a wrench as a tool

    no matter how hard i try...i could never be a mechanic....my mind doesnt work that way

    we all have our good skills, and our bad ones.......

    some people take advantage of what they were given......others do not

    but everyone has an opportunity.....i have seen too many rags to riches stories unfold around me

    you can blame people not succeeding on whatever you want......

    other than those who are truly handicapped (physically or mentally) mostly the failures can be blamed on the individuals themselves

    if that seems harsh...okay.....maybe it is

    my expectations for people are always higher than they expect for themselves

    one of the reasons i am successful in what i do
    wow you live in a dream world. I wish I could be an American.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    What a crock...

    So your saying someone raised in the suburbs, with supportive parents, that goes to suburban school, has the same opportunities as someone raised in the city, with crack heads for parents, and goes to one of the worst schools in America? I think not...

    I'd you have seen soooooo many rags to riches story's, you probably don't know what rags are in the first place...

    where did i say the "same" opportunities

    who told you life was fair?

    whoever it was, sold you a real lost cause

    i see people for what they can become

    you seem to see victims of circumstances

    are those two kids playing on an equal field.....no

    i never said they were.....

    but can both make it out, and succeed anyway......you bet

    i volunteer at a homeless shelter......and i have seen what bad parents/bad upbringing can do to a child

    you see that kid as a victim.......i see a kid who can go places......and i try to help them get there

    we see life through different lenses.......my lens shows a world of possibilities

    yours shows you lost causes.......
    “Most of the shadows of this life are caused by standing in one's own sunshine.”

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    where did i say the "same" opportunities

    who told you life was fair?

    whoever it was, sold you a real lost cause

    i see people for what they can become

    you seem to see victims of circumstances

    are those two kids playing on an equal field.....no

    i never said they were.....

    but can both make it out, and succeed anyway......you bet

    i volunteer at a homeless shelter......and i have seen what bad parents/bad upbringing can do to a child

    you see that kid as a victim.......i see a kid who can go places......and i try to help them get there

    we see life through different lenses.......my lens shows a world of possibilities

    yours shows you lost causes.......
    No you see a non existent lala land.

    I see reality.

    Fortunately it does not need to be so, unfortunately it is.

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