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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Trying to hide millions of jobs lost?
    Trying to deny homeless millions and SNAP survivors at record levals?

    The guillotine is coming..................EX middle class is the key to any revolution.....................
    What? I thought things were just great since The Obama took over.

    The guillotine is coming? For who, commie pieces of ****? Good.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Build a man a fire, he's warm for a day; set a man on fire, he's warm for the rest of his life.
    LOL! Damn - you got in ahead of me!
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Build a man a fire, he's warm for a day; set a man on fire, he's warm for the rest of his life.
    somebody had that as a signature here



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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    I'm human and I don't mind sharing. Most people shouldn't. Jesus was a socialist.

    Furthermore socialism does not mean sharing your things. It would actually give the average citizen more things to share, and make it so those that are unscrupulously wealthy actually had to work.
    Lol !! Not this nonsense again.

    Jesus was not a Socialist.

    Please quote the scripture, book and passage where Jesus advocates forced redistribution via some bloated Bureaucracy.

    Where he States that Government should be given the authority to control the means of production.

    Socialism doesn't guarantee " equality ". It guarantees mediocrity, waste and eventually massive unsustainable debt

    Argentina, Spain, France and Venezuela come to mind as excellent examples of the failures of Socialism.

    Its naive to think anyone let alone the Government could guarantee some semblance of equality and fairness and its down right foolish to believe that Government should be the ultimate arbiter of whats fair in the first place.

    Don't codemn the rest of Society to the consequences of Socialism just because the idea of self sufficiency and the Government staying out of your life scares the hell out of you.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !! Not this nonsense again.

    Jesus was not a Socialist.

    Please quote the scripture, book and passage where Jesus advocates forced redistribution via some bloated Bureaucracy.

    Where he States that Government should be given the authority to control the means of production.

    Socialism doesn't guarantee " equality ". It guarantees mediocrity, waste and eventually massive unsustainable debt

    Argentina, Spain, France and Venezuela come to mind as excellent examples of the failures of Socialism.

    Its naive to think anyone let alone the Government could guarantee some semblance of equality and fairness and its down right foolish to believe that Government should be the ultimate arbiter of whats fair in the first place.

    Don't codemn the rest of Society to the consequences of Socialism just because the idea of self sufficiency and the Government staying out of your life scares the hell out of you.
    Socialism has nothing to do with forced redistribution. It advocates the people owning the means of production.

    Jesus was for giving to those less fortunate. He was also for equality. These are things socialism advocates and capitalism does not.

    None of that is true, and your basing your opinion of socialism on Stalinist governments. Their is a large difference. No major country has ever had socialism.

    France is not socialist. They have a mixed market economy. Never has been.

    Spain has a capitalist mixed economy and a monarch. That's about as far as you can get from socialism without being fully capitalist FYI. Spain is also a decentralized government so different areas have allot more control than other places. For example their is one little town where in the 70s the people where starving. Now it is possibly one of the only examples of actual socialism in the world. The mayor (who was elected in the late 70s) took the unemployment rate from 60% to near 0%. People used to starve their. Now they get paid double the minimum wage if they are members of the towns farming coop. They where not effected by the 2008 crash. (like the rest of capitalist Spain)

    Argentina was mostly Stalinist or even fascist. Neither is anywhere near socialism or communism. One of the ways you know a country is Stalinist is if its government claims to have achieved communism. No government should can do this and still exist. For the short periods of time (five years in spurts total in the 60s) they were socialist, they actually prospered greatly. Had their not been outside intervention and those people allowed to stay in power they still would.

    And lastly Venezuela, the only one that's remotely close to socialism (or claims to be socialist for that matter) Venezuela still has private business believe it or not, so technically they have a socialist mixed market. That's not total socialism. Furthermore even if they where totally socialist they are the statist version, in which the state assumes massive amounts of control instead of the people. Theoretically they do this in the name of the people, but it usually does not work out that way. IMO to truly be socialist you need a market comprised of coops and a government that only owns production of things that are nesicsary to life. Like water, healthcare, education, and food. Although I do think cooperative ownership of food production could work well to. In all actuality Venezuela is not socialist because the people never controlled the means of production, the state did.

    So your massively wrong on the first three, and half right on the last.... Good job...

    The consequences of capitalism are terrible, as we are seeing. It turns into oligarchy every time.

    I am a non violent drug felon. Please explain how your unfounded statement about the government staying out of my life scares me. What a joke. I don't think the government should be involved in most social issues, as it obviously is in capitalist society. It should be involved in helping to provide basic needs to the lower class, such as education, healthcare, food (as well as regulating the production of food MUCH better than it does now) and housing. It also should regulate buisness of any sort to stop it from destroying the environment or ripping off its customers (as it does not now)

    So you would condemn society to the hellish consequences of capitalism? If yes then your ok with huge wealth gaps, endless wars for no reason, living in a oligarchy, and total destruction of the environment...

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Socialism has nothing to do with forced redistribution. It advocates the people owning the means of production.

    {snip remainder based on that bold assumption}
    Hold on there, Skippy. Where do the people get the capital to invest (for land, building and machinery) into creating that "means of production"? Might they be expected to pony that up via taxation of some sort? Is that taxation flat or is it progressive, meaning that income redistribution is assured simply based on that taxation scheme?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hold on there, Skippy. Where do the people get the capital to invest (for land, building and machinery) into creating that "means of production"? Might they be expected to pony that up via taxation of some sort? Is that taxation flat or is it progressive, meaning that income redistribution is assured simply based on that taxation scheme?
    The people already have the capital to invest. It just gets stolen by the wealthy.

    Their capital is in labour. The rich's capital is in nothing.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    The people already have the capital to invest. It just gets stolen by the wealthy.

    Their capital is in labour. The rich's capital is in nothing.
    You need to learn more to discuss what is required in order to start a business
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You need to learn more to discuss what is required in order to start a business
    You need to learn more about how capitalism screws everybody and how wealth in America has never be fair, and should he taken from those who unjustly got it.

    Im not a capitalist, I am a socialist. I believe in cooperative ownership and that the people that wish to participate should start coops as a joint employee or consumer owned venture. Corporations should be illegal, SNF eventually the people will take the massive amounts of wealth currently in the oligarchs pockets. They stole it from the people in the first place through chattel and wage slavery.

    I'm not talking about starting s business, I'm talking about starting a government. Their is a HUGE difference. Treating government like a business is what has the world in the very screwy state of affairs it is.

    You probably could use a history lesson or two as well. Go read Zinn.

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    Yes America is the greatest country on earth because everything that's good comes from America and if we don't agree with someone we send drones too make them think like us because America is the greatest country on earth **** yeah!!

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