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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    My thoughts: Yes, this is the greatest nation on earth. Below are some of the reasons....

    - We're the richest. We have more money than any other nation on earth and it ain't close.
    - We're the smartest. We have something like over half of the world's Nobel Prize winners. Our universities are the top ranked in the world.
    - We're the most industrial. Modern industry as you know it was invented and perfected in the US of A.
    - We kick ass. Most powerful military in the history of human civilization relative to our contemporaries
    - We're not sissies - looking at you, France
    - We innovate. We invented pretty much everything in existence in the modern world, and that trend is continuing.
    - We sent a man to the moon for christ's sake. That was 50 years ago. No other nation has yet to be able to do it, even today.
    - We don't have stupid royalty or aristocracies. America is the only country on earth where going rags to riches is truly seen as possible.
    - We dominate the global political scene. If America wants something done, such as a treaty, it gets done.
    - Other nations need us more than we need them.
    - We utterly dominate popular culture and the arts - Hollywood baby. ALL the movies that seen by a broad audience are American. We invented rock and roll, the blues, rap, hip hop, and all the modern media. We invented television, and pretty much everything that goes on it.


    I could go on, but that's a start.
    Actually chinas economy is bigger than ours. So they now have more money...

    The Nobel prize is a joke made up by a rich man because he felt bad. I put little stock in it, especially the peace prize.

    Industrialism is far from perfect. It subjugates the workers as wage slaves.

    France actually has the top military in Europe besides Russia. They helped train the green berets. They are the 4th arms exporter in the world. And they have the only naval battle group outside the us.

    We did not invent everything in modern existence. For example we did not invent the telephone or antibiotics, among hundreds of other notable inventions.

    Multiple other country's could easily put a man on the moon today (Russia and China come to mind) but their is no reason to. Their is nothing on the moon, and its very expensive.

    Going from rags to riches has always been nearly impossible in america, and is much easier in other countries today with more supportive governments.

    We can "get things done" because of our military prowess. And certain country's do not listen if they don't want to. Like China, or Russia, or north Korea, or Uruguay, or countless other countries. We do what your talking about through economic manipulation and force. Its not a good thing...

    Actually south Korea has its own Hollywood, people their watch allot of their movies, their are countless movies in Europe Europeans watch as well.

    This is a classic example of false american exceptionality. Like how people think we have the best healthcare, but really were number 38. Right before Cuba, and like 5 or 6 after Costa Rica. If memory serves Saudi Arabia is like 18th.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Absolutely.
    Kindly dont alter my posts, thats unamerican. Thanks.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
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    Whats sup is America is the greatest nation on earth. Get used to it.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    We used to be great! In fact I would go so far as say that we were the envy of the world.
    Somewhere along the way from then to now, we lost our way.

    And as you suggested focusing on
    1.) Freedom 2.) Diversity 3.) Opportunity

    1. FREEDOM:
    AS IN LIBERTY? --- NOPE
    Surveillance State: The NSA is monitoring pretty much EVERYTHING
    Stop-And-Frisk threw mostly minorities in the slammer.
    ALEC wrote many laws to ensure that prisons (privatized) stay full.

    2. DIVERSITY:
    AS IN TOLERANCE? --- NOPE
    If you're a same-sex couple trying to get married many a State Legislature will fight you tooth and nail.

    3. OPPORTUNITY?
    AS IN ECONOMIC? --- NOPE
    One health crisis and, poof! Wage earner is sidelined, and a family could be crushed.
    Wages have more or less flat-lined over the past decade.
    College costs are a huge burden
    Wall Street tanked the economy; turning it into a casino (Derivatives, SubPrime crap, QE2, Mortgages under water, etc.)

    That's about it for now.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    My thoughts: Yes, this is the greatest nation on earth. Below are some of the reasons....

    - We're the richest. We have more money than any other nation on earth and it ain't close.
    - We're the smartest. We have something like over half of the world's Nobel Prize winners. Our universities are the top ranked in the world.
    - We're the most industrial. Modern industry as you know it was invented and perfected in the US of A.
    - We kick ass. Most powerful military in the history of human civilization relative to our contemporaries
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    We're not sissies - looking at you, France

    - We innovate. We invented pretty much everything in existence in the modern world, and that trend is continuing.
    - We sent a man to the moon for christ's sake. That was 50 years ago. No other nation has yet to be able to do it, even today.
    - We don't have stupid royalty or aristocracies. America is the only country on earth where going rags to riches is truly seen as possible.
    - We dominate the global political scene. If America wants something done, such as a treaty, it gets done.
    - Other nations need us more than we need them.
    - We utterly dominate popular culture and the arts - Hollywood baby. ALL the movies that seen by a broad audience are American. We invented rock and roll, the blues, rap, hip hop, and all the modern media. We invented television, and pretty much everything that goes on it.


    I could go on, but that's a start.


    Could the 13 colonies ever have defeated Britain in the Revolutionary War without France's considerable help? I doubt it, but we'll never really know.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Actually chinas economy is bigger than ours. So they now have more money...

    The Nobel prize is a joke made up by a rich man because he felt bad. I put little stock in it, especially the peace prize.

    Industrialism is far from perfect. It subjugates the workers as wage slaves.

    France actually has the top military in Europe besides Russia. They helped train the green berets. They are the 4th arms exporter in the world. And they have the only naval battle group outside the us.

    We did not invent everything in modern existence. For example we did not invent the telephone or antibiotics, among hundreds of other notable inventions.

    Multiple other country's could easily put a man on the moon today (Russia and China come to mind) but their is no reason to. Their is nothing on the moon, and its very expensive.

    Going from rags to riches has always been nearly impossible in america, and is much easier in other countries today with more supportive governments.

    We can "get things done" because of our military prowess. And certain country's do not listen if they don't want to. Like China, or Russia, or north Korea, or Uruguay, or countless other countries. We do what your talking about through economic manipulation and force. Its not a good thing...

    Actually south Korea has its own Hollywood, people their watch allot of their movies, their are countless movies in Europe Europeans watch as well.

    This is a classic example of false american exceptionality. Like how people think we have the best healthcare, but really were number 38. Right before Cuba, and like 5 or 6 after Costa Rica. If memory serves Saudi Arabia is like 18th.


    Just Curious, what would be so impressive about putting a Man on the Moon in 2014 ? With all of our technological advances ?

    What's impressive about the Moon Missions is that they were done over 40 years ago with the technology of that time.

    And I wouldn't bet on other Countries successfully landing anything on the Moon either.

    They couldn't land that Space probe on that Comet successfully.

    And they had the advantage of modern Technology.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

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    LOL, and "We could do it if we wanted to - but we are happy to eschew an enormous world-wide market, so we will continue producing mediocre, gas-guzzling and cumbersome vehicles?" is a good argument? Like commercial organisations think that way?

    And do you not think that automotive status is not dictated by price alone. In Australia, a top of the range Lexus sells for slightly more than a five series BMW or a Mercedes E-class. The sales of said Lexus are miniscule compared to those of BMW and Mercedes. Why, because while it is carefully made, reasonably reliable, and well-equipped with creature comforts, it has less dynamic magic than a Toyota Camry - and wealthy Australians stay away in droves. Prestige is gained by what a vehicle does, not what it costs, or how many things that open and shut it offers. Anyone who ascribes prestige by monetary cost is a parvenu.

    If GM or Ford produced a car that bettered the European/Japanese opposition (in every price range) do you not think they would command a better share of the market across the world? It is not simply expensive American designed and manufactured cars which are shunned worldwide, they all are, and it is not simply because they are American. American owned motor manufacturers, such as Ford (GB) and Opel in Germany, produce vehicles which more than compete with the Japanese, Koreans, and other Europeans in the low to medium price ranges. But these are designed and produced by Europeans, who draw upon their engineering heritage.

    But look, this is not an indictment of the USA. Some societies do some things better than others, and we all have our strengths and weaknesses. I think your society does enough important things well not to have to depend upon fantasies of being pre-eminent in all things. And I reiterate that the only reason I addressed this matter was the claim by some unrealistically patriotic soul, that the the internal combustion engine was invented in the USA.
    To think that US auto makers could not build a car just as good as anything from Europe is just silly. Now if they could do it at the same price or close enough to make it worth their time is another matter. There really isnt any secret in how to design a car.
    And it is funny that you talk about how the US auto makers eschew the world-wide market, That is funny because the best selling car in the world is a Ford. The second largest auto maker is a US company. In fact their is only one European auto maker in the top 8 largest auto makers. Maybe the Europeans should start working on increasing their market share.

    And than you talk those cars higher quality and reliability as if that has anything to do with why more wealthy folks buy BMWs or MB. That doesn't hold much water when Consumer reports has BMW as the 14th most reliable and MB as 24th GM Ford and Chrysler are all ahead of MB. Quality has almost nothing to do with it. If it did Buick which is rated as 6 should be more coveted than BMW or MB.

    You are right that the status does not just come from price. Things like exclusivity, as well as just perceived branding have a ton to due with. A perfect example of this is the Corvette ZR1. It can pretty much dominate any other sports car outside of a very few super priced exotics. It also is known for much better reliability than your Ferrari's or Lambos that cost 100000 or so more. With that said no one who is looking at buying a Ferrari 458 is going to consider a ZR1. Now tell me why, The ZR1 has more horsepower, it has a higher top speed. is faster around a track, stops at least as quickly. The only area that the Ferrari wins (outside of subjective areas) is in quality of interior but keep two things in mind. One these are sports cars and two the Ferrari is over 1 hundred thousand dollars more expensive. It is all about exclusivity and perception. It is about image.

    Look I am not saying that US auto makers make the best cars in the world. I am just saying that your idea that because wealthy folks buy BMWs or MB has anything to do with quality is just silly.
    America makes some great cars and they also make some crap cars. They also tailor a lot to the US market which is for the most part different than the European market.
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    This is a good thread from a sociological perspective. It lets us examine the issue of pride. When people's pride feels threatened, they lash out and counter.

    "Greatness" is relative. There have been nations that ruled more of this planet than America has, been around for longer, made way more contributions to inventions, science, etc. than America has. And on that note, a lot of our greatest inventions were created by foreigners who immigrated here. Why does the location of the invention matter?

    Every country has its greatnesses and its weaknesses. The whole "we're #1!!" thing is infantile. What matters is if we're happy, prosperous, and peaceful. If we have that then the rankings don't matter.

    I've been to countries with way less, materially speaking, and the people were much happier. Therefore, looking at our assets as a determination of our greatness isn't all that relevant.

    If you look at the current spirit of America, I'd say we've fallen down a few notches.

    We need to start looking at things in terms of the human whole. When someone invents something, it helps all of humanity, not just "America".

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Could the 13 colonies ever have defeated Britain in the Revolutionary War without France's considerable help? I doubt it, but we'll never really know.
    Never understood the French being sissies thing...

    They fought hard in Vietnam and lost, just like we did.

    They fought hard in WWI just like everybody else.

    They got an ass whooping in WWII just like everybody else did in the beginning and the only difference between them and Russia was real estate and Britain had the Channel. Without the Channel or the real estate those guys were dead too, as was Denmark, Belgium, Norway, Poland and a handful of other nations.

    They fought hard in the French and Indian Wars and decided to retire instead...

    They helped us to win in the Revolutionary War. That was nice of them....
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