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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    LOL ...


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    So I think not. In fact American automotive design has lagged behind European design since the invention of the motor car. If you doubt that, take a look in the garages of the wealthy in the US, and note the number of Mercedes-Benz, BMWs, and Bentleys. Then look in garages of the European wealthy, and note the lack of US manufactured vehicles.

    The Cadillac was the first automobile to use the pedal and gear shift configuration that's still used today.

    American car manufacturers in the past catered to the American consumer, who were more interested in American Muscle than European luxury. The Luxury market appealed only to elderly Women and retirees.

    Our manufacturers were building cars for the Blue collar workers, for Middle Income America.

    I personally would take a 1970 Dodge Challenger, a 1955 Chevy Bel Air or a 1958 Plymouth Fury over any European luxury vehicle any day.
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Cadillac was the first automobile to use the pedal and gear shift configuration that's still used today.

    American car manufacturers in the past catered to the American consumer, who were more interested in American Muscle than European luxury. The Luxury market appealed only to elderly Women and retirees.

    Our manufacturers were building cars for the Blue collar workers, for Middle Income America.

    I personally would take a 1970 Dodge Challenger, a 1955 Chevy Bel Air or a 1958 Plymouth Fury over any European luxury vehicle any day.
    Apart for the last paragraph, which is merely a statement of personal preference, I would not disagree with any of that. But the fact that wealthy Americans buy European designed and engineered cars as a matter of preference, whereas virtually no Europeans would consider buying an American designed and engineered automobile, may be considered fairly conclusive evidence of the superiority of the European product.

    I accept the fact that American cars are designed for local conditions and preferences, but so is the European and Japanese product. The target demographic does not alter the relative quality and utility of the product.

    And bear in mind that my comments were in relation to the risible claim that the internal combustion engine, as we know it, is an American invention.
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is seen as nearly axiomatic in some circles. In others, it's seen as misguided arrogance.

    I want to know whether the maxim rings true with you, and your reasoning.


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    One of the The worst things about the USA is that it has too many people who waste their time on BS like this thread
    which accomplishes absolutely nothing.

    There is no greatest nation on this planet.

    Those who 'think' that there is are one of this planet's biggest problems.



    If they would spend the same amount of time actually doing something, anything, then they might get something useful done.

    I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Stop lying.
    LOL Brilliant post TC.


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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    One of the The worst things about the USA is that it has too many people who waste their time on BS like this thread
    which accomplishes absolutely nothing.

    There is no greatest nation on this planet.

    Those who 'think' that there is are one of this planet's biggest problems.



    If they would spend the same amount of time actually doing something, anything, then they might get something useful done.

    I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL Brilliant post TC.

    There's no better response to pure, unadulterated idiocy.
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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    There's no better response to pure, unadulterated idiocy.
    Why, I beg to differ.

    This is a considerably better response to pure, unadulterated idiocy. That's why I used it...

    LOL Brilliant post TC


    See Post #214 for the original.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Apart for the last paragraph, which is merely a statement of personal preference, I would not disagree with any of that. But the fact that wealthy Americans buy European designed and engineered cars as a matter of preference, whereas virtually no Europeans would consider buying an American designed and engineered automobile, may be considered fairly conclusive evidence of the superiority of the European product.

    I accept the fact that American cars are designed for local conditions and preferences, but so is the European and Japanese product. The target demographic does not alter the relative quality and utility of the product.

    And bear in mind that my comments were in relation to the risible claim that the internal combustion engine, as we know it, is an American invention.

    Its interesting to see how different National cultures shape the vehicles they drive

    Australians drive around those funky half trucks called " Utes "

    That style doesn't appeal to me personally ( or anyone I know and have ever met ) but Australians apparently love them.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What country are you from?


    Who cares, what difference does it make?

    Fill us in.

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    Re: Is America the greatest nation on earth?

    I think in some ways it is, and in some ways it isn't.

    The US has an incredible can-do attitude. The US has the world's largest economy. The US has the world's most powerful military. Americans are friendly and outgoing. Americans have achieved incredibly in both the arts and the sciences.

    On the other hand, the US has a pretty noxiously close-minded worldview. The US has the world's highest incarceration rate. The US doesn't have the institutional continuity or cultural staying power of nations like Britain or France. Americans kill each other in droves, and often with a severe racial undertone to it. Americans consistently fail at self-criticism and introspection on anything like a national platform.

    So, it depends on your metric. In some ways the US is progressive, in some ways it is backward. In some ways Americans have a unique spirit, in some ways Americans fail to see their crushing averageness.

    I could draw up the same sort of list for the usual contenders on "greatest nation in the world" lists, like Britain, France, China, Russia, etc.

    I suspect what we'll find is that they each excel above all others in some ways, and yet they too are not perfect and fall prey to some serious flaws that they're sometimes blind to.

    America is no different. Maybe that in itself is enough to conclusively answer "no" to the poll question.

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