View Poll Results: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    When it is blatant, we do. But in many cases it becomes a double edged sword. It leads to cops questioning their level of force to an extent that puts them and possibly the public at risk when someone isn't subdued that should have been because the officer is more worried about how much force is "proper" and not going to potentially get them brought up on charges of murder because someone died due to a combination of circumstances that included their use of force.
    I don't think we do. Often enough, at least, and usually to nowhere near the same level if the crime were committed by an average citizen. Too often, if anything happens, they're simply fired with no charges whatsoever.

    This article has several examples where even when we try to hold police accountable, our efforts are thwarted: How Police Unions and Arbitrators Keep Abusive Cops on the Street - The Atlantic
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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    At the end of the day...does a courtroom ever take the defendants side..Is not a cop's word ''bible''
    Yes, you can win in a courtroom against a cop if you didn't do what you are accused of. It isn't guaranteed but you have better odds in the courtroom than on the curb.
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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I don't think we do. Often enough, at least, and usually to nowhere near the same level if the crime were committed by an average citizen. Too often, if anything happens, they're simply fired with no charges whatsoever.

    This article has several examples where even when we try to hold police accountable, our efforts are thwarted: How Police Unions and Arbitrators Keep Abusive Cops on the Street - The Atlantic
    Check the three cops in sc that are facing charges. It isn't going to be as often as civilians when their actions were done in the line of duty but it does happen when the event was obviously them doing something wrong and there was little to no action from the victim against them
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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    Police should not use violent or lethal force on a non-violent suspect under most circumstances. I include in that things like tazers.
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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    While the terms are not well defined, you never know if a "non-violent" suspect will turn violent and the best move for all involved is to get them under control before anything bad might happen. Therefore, while I'm not saying to shoot him in the head, if it takes violence to subdue him, then do what it takes to subdue him. That ends up being safest for all involved. If the suspect doesn't want to get punched, they should simply stop fighting. It's all up to them.
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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    so laws dont have to be followed?

    i can tell a cop to go to hell, and continue to drink my open container on the sidewalk and he should just go on his merry little way?

    really? is this the society you guys want to live in?
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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    if you are a cop and you have to detain someone or a person that may have done something illegal... and they tell you no I don't want to go to jail ...what do you do as a cop and he/she starts walking away.. I would tell them you are forcing me to use physical force to comply we have laws I don't want to do it that way you might get hurt!!!! you must abide if we are wrong it will be decided in court... at least the person is told in a respectful way what will happen... if the person does not comply that person may not be playing with a full deck...not just bumrush someone because they wont follow your commands right away like they are sub human or the enemy.. I am a 59 year old black guy I have never had a problem with the police... was I lucky or did I treat them like people... it is not what you say...it is how you say it you don't fight police in the street you will loose... do it in court you might get paid!!!!

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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    I love it... look at who votes for violent and or lethal force if the non-violent suspect is not cooperating? The ex-cop.
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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so laws dont have to be followed?

    i can tell a cop to go to hell, and continue to drink my open container on the sidewalk and he should just go on his merry little way?

    really? is this the society you guys want to live in?
    Some of us want to live in a society with LESS laws that lead to arrest... tickets and fines work too. Warnings work the world over. America is one of the few to turn a simple marijuana possession into a fatal police chase or shootout. It is pathetic.
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    Re: Should violent and or lethal force be allowed in detaining a non-violent suspect?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, you can win in a courtroom against a cop if you didn't do what you are accused of. It isn't guaranteed but you have better odds in the courtroom than on the curb.
    Unless you have irrefutable evidence and happen to get lucky with a good judge I would never take those chances... just look at the Garner case... the cop killed Garner and...? Nothing.
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