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Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

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ttwtt78640 said:
Our border defense is pathetic but it is light years ahead of our interior enforcement. With millions of "illegal" workers, many standing around the home improvement stores waiting for tax free work, it should be a piece of cake to round them up. The estimated 8 million illegal workers result in very few employer arrests or employee deporations.

Obama holds record for cracking down on employers who hire undocumented workers, says Wasserman Schultz | PolitiFact Florida
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Very few, but for all their bluster, the Repub record isn't any better than the Dems. Not saying that you're stating different, but it remains a fact.
 
Jetboogieman said:
It's quite ironic because when you look at it, a very large reason why Mexico is so messed up, so violent and so corrupt is partially and I really want to emphasize that, partially BECAUSE of the United States.

The fact of the matter is, is that US Citizens demand for illicit drugs fuels the violence and gave rise to all of these brutal drug barons, who have completely corrupted the Mexican Police Force, army and government and who's minions propagate increasingly brutal crime.

It's one thing for a country to just be poor, there are plenty of countries with Mexican poverty that DON'T HAVE the kind of violence Mexico does and it's almost entirely fueled by American demand for illicit drugs.

Many parts of Mexico are hell on Earth and you'd want to escape them too.

I'm not trying to say that illegal immigration is ok.

But when you look at it from that perspective, when you look at the fact that American demand for drugs fuels instability in Mexico and creates part of the reason why people would want to cross the border it's pretty ironic the OP would want to "Hold Mexico Accountable".
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Hence a good support for "say no to drugs" and having back and forth public jabs between the United States and Mexico is a good idea. Two birds, one stone, and you don't have to actually do anything about it.
 
If Mexico was a normal functioning country I can definitely say it should face all sorts of sanctions because it clearly aids the massive immigration against another countries laws and it does so publicly. That said, Mexico is so far even by its own admission of being a normal country (it's own government recently killed + burned over 40 college students at the whim of a local politician because they were going to protest his wife's speech) that the very idea of Mexico being able to be responsible for anything is laughable. It's a fake country. Over 90% of its elected officials were funded via drug money.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
like shooting fish in a barrel

OP went offline in about 2 minutes.
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You shot yourself in a barrel?
iLOL
:lamo
Obviously you thought you said something important that needed to be responded to immediately.

Guess what? Obviously you didn't. :doh
Nor does my lack of an immediately reply mean anything.
But dismissing the foolish things you say does. :lamo


SlevinKelevra said:
so you are in line that Middle East countries should hold the USA responsible for crimes and atrocities committed by oil companies and their contractors and our "nation building" in the last half century.
You just justified the whole terrorism mentality and anti-american sentiment.
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Your failure to focus on the topic is noted.
Nor have I indicated any such thing. You really shouldn't go around assuming.

And since what you presented isn't even a valid comparison, it sounds like nothing but delusional thoughts.



[sarcasm]
OMG! More than two minutes has passed and she hasn't replied.
Like OMG! She is off-line to boot.
Oh my lord, what ever should I do?
[/sarcasm]
 
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DVSentinel said:
Because many words and terms have different meanings and usages and until you identify what use or meaning you are attempting to apply, some just don't know. Sorry we cannot all read your mind instead of only your words. How you define "responsible" may not be the same as someone else.
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You were already answered. That answer applies equally as well to this nonsense you posted in reply.

Again.
You do not need to know my beliefs to answer an in-general question.
If you do not believe they should be, then the only answer is "no".
If you believe they should be, the only answer is yes.
The "How" of a "Yes" answer is totally dependent on the answerer's own beliefs.

Why that is so hard for some folks to understand, is beyond belief.​

What exactly about the repeated above did you fail to understand in your reply basically saying the same damn thing.
Try understanding what you read next time.
 
MACS-24 said:
I could not read what was not there. None of that was in the quote I responded to.
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I never said it was in the quote you responded to.
I said if you had read it.
You obviously wanted to participate without familiarizing yourself to all that had been said. Had you, you would have read it.
That is your problem, not mine.


MACS-24 said:
It is my opinion that one cannot hold Mexico responsible unless one views it as an invasion.
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That is interesting.
I doubt that is true, but interesting that you think that.

Somebody suggested sanctions. That sure doesn't sound like an invasion to me.
 
rocket88 said:
Since you don't like my way of holding them responsible, perhaps you have a different suggestion?
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Wtf?
You can't even get that right.
Who the heck was speaking of like or dislike?

Let check and see.
Excon said:
rocket88 said:
Since "how" is unimportant, I suggest that Rick Perry should stand at the border and sternly shake his finger.
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No one said how was unimportant.
But "How" is irrelevant to the in-general question.

The "How" of a "Yes" answer is totally dependent on the answerer's own beliefs.

Why that is so hard for some folks to understand, is beyond belief.
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Well golly gee.
No one was speaking about like or dislike. Go figure! :doh


But since you suggest that "Rick Perry should stand at the border and sternly shake his finger" as a way to hold them responsible, I suggest you answer the poll with a "yes". :mrgreen:
 
Ryan5 said:
Mexico doesn't exist. It's a mafia resource hub. There is no real authoritative "Mexican state".
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You ever been to Mexico, champ? Doesn't sound like you have.
 
Unless Mexico is packing up mini-vans with potential illegal immigrants, no.
 
Hatuey said:
You ever been to Mexico, champ? Doesn't sound like you have.
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Yes.

It's an open mafia state and a fake country. Mexican cops go around with rich cartel members and "hunt" poor mexican women, rape them and then discard their bodies like a shot gazelle all in collusion with the mexican government.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
How do we hold them responsible tho? If its not possible, unrealistic, or have no idea on how we are going to do it, why vote in the poll?
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There are all kinds of ways to hold Mexico responsible. Peaceful means such as increased tariffs on Mexican goods, travel bans,visa bans, trade embargo, a tax on all money transfers to Mexico, cutting off foreign aid and other assistance, requiring Western Unions and other money wiring places and financial institutions such as banks and prepaid credit cards to require a social security card, state issued ID or e-verify check in states that issue licenses and IDs to illegals. There is also non-peaceful means such as war and occupation of Mexico in order to exploit their resources.
 
Excon said:
Wtf?
You can't even get that right.
Who the heck was speaking of like or dislike?

Let check and see.
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Well golly gee.
No one was speaking about like or dislike. Go figure! :doh


But since you suggest that "Rick Perry should stand at the border and sternly shake his finger" as a way to hold them responsible, I suggest you answer the poll with a "yes". :mrgreen:
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So you agree with my idea? Or are you trying to weasel out of anything specific?
 
Excon said:
I never said it was in the quote you responded to.
I said if you had read it.
You obviously wanted to participate without familiarizing yourself to all that had been said. Had you, you would have read it.
That is your problem, not mine.


That is interesting.
I doubt that is true, but interesting that you think that.

Somebody suggested sanctions. That sure doesn't sound like an invasion to me.
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My mistake. I was responding to your use of past tense grammar - "had you read..."

Anyway, I can only answer both yes and no the way the OP is set up.
 
Excon said:
You shot yourself in a barrel?
iLOL
:lamo
Obviously you thought you said something important that needed to be responded to immediately.

Guess what? Obviously you didn't. :doh
Nor does my lack of an immediately reply mean anything.
But dismissing the foolish things you say does. :lamo




Your failure to focus on the topic is noted.
Nor have I indicated any such thing. You really shouldn't go around assuming.

And since what you presented isn't even a valid comparison, it sounds like nothing but delusional thoughts.



[sarcasm]
OMG! More than two minutes has passed and she hasn't replied.
Like OMG! She is off-line to boot.
Oh my lord, what ever should I do?
[/sarcasm]
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Im sorry you didnt think the context and implications of your post through, but thats your problem
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well what happens if "we hold them responsible"? How do we do that? To hold someone responsible we must take some sort of action...
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There you go... let's take Mexico to court. We win a huge settlement and hurt their economy even more and then more immigrants flood the border... sounds great. :lol:
 
jamesrage said:
There are all kinds of ways to hold Mexico responsible. Peaceful means such as increased tariffs on Mexican goods, travel bans,visa bans, trade embargo, a tax on all money transfers to Mexico, cutting off foreign aid and other assistance, requiring Western Unions and other money wiring places and financial institutions such as banks and prepaid credit cards to require a social security card, state issued ID or e-verify check in states that issue licenses and IDs to illegals. There is also non-peaceful means such as war and occupation of Mexico in order to exploit their resources.
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So essentially **** up their country more? Which creates what?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Destroy a peoples economy, weaken their economy, only creates more people leaving that economy.
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Agreed... and gives us more low wage non-skilled employees...
 
Mexico is the perfect example of when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. This also has turned much of Mexico's law enforcement outlaws against people, but incapable of dealing with the drug cartels.

In a sense, this also is happening on our Southern border. The Federal government has declared that Americans can not protect their own communities from the cartels - saying that is evil vigilante-ism - and that local and state government can't do it - because that is evil bigotry - and Federal border patrol can only pick up passive people and dare not engage armed illegals as that also is unacceptable racism and bogotry.

It also is false that it is only Americans buying drugs that is responsible. It also is Washington DC allowing the illegal immigration - which sends huge amounts of money back to Mexico. It is in Mexico's government's interest to promote illegal immigration into the USA.
 
rocket88 said:
So you agree with my idea? Or are you trying to weasel out of anything specific?
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There you go again showing you do not know what you are talking about. :doh
No one on this end said they agreed with your suggestion.


And no one has to present any specifics.

Again, what is it you do not understand about the following?

The "How" of a "Yes" answer is totally dependent on the answerer's own beliefs.

Why that is so hard for some folks to understand, is beyond belief.​
 
SlevinKelevra said:
Im sorry you didnt think the context and implications of your post through, but thats your problem
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There you go showing everybody that you too know not oif what you speak.

Your reply and others deflecting from answering were anticipated and the question formed specifically like it was.

It weeded out those who are unable to think on their own as the answer was totally dependent on their own beliefs. Yet they failed to see it.

Your posting on the other hand was addressed by your very own ridiculous comments.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So essentially **** up their country more? Which creates what?
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You are assuming that a response would **** up their country even more? That is absurd.
 
Excon said:
Should we be holding or attempting to hold Mexico responsible for their Citizens that cross over and become illegals?
Yes or no?
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Mexico encourages them in doing so. So yes.
 
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