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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    You see, this is what we face dealing with people that exist in an ideological dream world that suggests active suspension of critical thought.
    Yes. That is exactly what you display.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    What you seem to not realize (or are desperately trying to ignore... perhaps both) is that your thinking here is why we end up in the mentality of policing the actions of other nations in a manner we see fit no matter what we are doing in our own backyard. The severity of impact to this nation, direct or indirect or not at all, just the suggestion that we can hold some other nation responsible without explanation in how or why is itself grade school level thinking. You may not like that, but it is accurate.

    Ultimately we cannot hold Mexico "responsible" except by force, and even then the impact is questionable in action and likely long term implication. You know it, and I know it.

    The truth of the matter is *our* immigration problems are ours to solve. It boils down to dealing with policy in a way that makes economic and social sense then deciding to enforcing it. Until then, holding Mexico "responsible" is both absurd and a false argument. We do not bother to enforce our own laws we have on the books right now. So you pretending that you are engaging in meaningful discussion asking such an elementary question within the confines of ideological foolishness is useless.

    Congrats, the above post and the language of it proves my point conclusively.
    Thank you for showing all that you want to read too much into a simple question.

    What you fail to understand that your take on this is warped and is therefor yourself that causes the problems you imagine.

    And if Mexico is in part responsible (and make sure you wrap your mind around the "If") for the influx of illegals, then they should be held responsible for their part, which is and would be, taking care of our problems. The hows that could be accomplished was and still is irrelevant to the original question.

    Your idea that we were supposed to be engaging in any meaningful discussion when it was a poll of where folks stood is ludicrous in the least.
    That is your problem.
    All I wanted to know is where folks stood.

    Is that really that difficult for you to understand?
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Exactly how do you plan on doing that?

    Fill us in.

    I doubt that the U.S. Calvary will be riding into Mexico on a punitive expedition anytime soon.
    Well, a good start would be identifying all illegals, granting some sort of path to citizenship for them and then tax the hell out of them, so much so that they don't have much left to send back to Mexico to not only support the entire clan, but by extension the corrupt Mexican Government.
    Voila.
    It seems that Obama has paved the way for just that. Now we need to elect those with enough cajones to bring it to fruition.

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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    What are they going to tax..fruit pickers...cleaners..maids..??

    These people are trying to survive..not take your living away from you...

    Is that so bad??

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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Should we be holding or attempting to hold Mexico responsible for their Citizens that cross over and become illegals?
    Yes or no?
    Are you looking to categorize "invasion" vs "criminal activity" behind the scenes? Just curious.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Should we be holding or attempting to hold Mexico responsible for their Citizens that cross over and become illegals?
    Yes or no?
    Before I vote, I would like to understand what you mean by "hold them responsible"? How are we to do that?
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    We could use former Gen. Curtis LeMay's strategy, bomb Mexico back into the stone age.

    Mexico has always been a complete basket case. Give them a second chance and let them start over from scratch.
    That'll go over well with all the American companies that have factories there.


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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Since "how" is unimportant, I suggest that Rick Perry should stand at the border and sternly shake his finger.


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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Should we be holding or attempting to hold Mexico responsible for their Citizens that cross over and become illegals?
    Yes or no?
    I want to say yes.But those people are here illegally because our government deliberately encouraged those people to come here illegally and Mexico was like sure why not. Our government encouraged those people to come here illegally by suing states that enacted anti-illegal immigration laws while ignoring sanctuary states, enacting executive orders to not enforce our laws regarding illegal immigration, making promises of amnesty/legalization for people here illegally, barely enforcing anti-illegal immigration laws and not adequately securing our borders.Those that should be held responsible are the traitorous scum in office who encouraged this mess, the traitors who hire illegals and any illegals that are caught(after all it takes two to tango).
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Before I vote, I would like to understand what you mean by "hold them responsible"? How are we to do that?
    You already knew the response you were going to get before you asked.

    You do not need to know my beliefs to answer an in-general question.
    If you do not believe they should be, then the only answer is "no".
    If you believe they should be, the only answer is yes.
    The "How" of a "Yes" answer is totally dependent on the answerer's own beliefs.

    Why that is so hard for some folks to understand, is beyond belief.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Since "how" is unimportant, I suggest that Rick Perry should stand at the border and sternly shake his finger.
    No one said how was unimportant.
    But "How" is irrelevant to the in-general question.

    The "How" of a "Yes" answer is totally dependent on the answerer's own beliefs.

    Why that is so hard for some folks to understand, is beyond belief.
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