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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I thought the United States was against countries that wall their people in...like that Berlin thingy
    Why are you confused?
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    They're partially responsible because they don't oppress their citizenry by criminalizing liberal democratic virtues like freedom of speech that the United States purports to be a symbol of to the whole world?

    Like I said, absurd.



    So "the greatest country in the world" has to pawn off our responsibility for securing our own borders onto our third world neighbors?

    Again, absurd.
    Wow. Talk about being dishonest in argument, especially to what was presented.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    would I be correct in paraphrasing that the US can hardly hold Mexico responsible for corruption when it is America's own corruption in illegal drugs that fuels the Mexican corruption?
    This is not about any possible corruption in Mexico.
    So how about you get back on topic?
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wow. Talk about being dishonest in argument, especially to what was presented.
    Frankly, you haven't presented anything.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Frankly, you haven't presented anything.
    You are obviously blind. You even quoted it.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I did not say it is not important.
    But it is not relevant to the question in general (the Poll) to see where folks stand.
    Actually the question is very relevant. You are asking people to answer on a falsehood, the idea of holding another nation responsible but no room to discuss how we would go about it. That is amazingly asinine.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Actually the question is very relevant.

    iLOL

    Your response is hilariously funny.
    No it is not relevant to the question asked.
    As you have already been told and can't seem to understand, the question asked is simply about whether a person believes they should be or not.
    Not as to how if they do.
    Learn the difference.

    If I had asked "How", it would be relevant to the question. Yet I didn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    You are asking people to answer on a falsehood,
    It is amazingly asinine that you would be dishonest as such.
    It is not a falsehood. Nor could it ever be.
    You however make false arguments.


    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    the idea of holding another nation responsible but no room to discuss how we would go about it. That is amazingly asinine.
    What is asinine is you not understanding that whether a person believes such or not is not dependent on any suggestion as to how it may or may not be accomplished.
    And no one is preventing you form discussing such options it just isn't relative to the in-general question.


    The question is not about how. Only if a person thinks they should or should no be.
    Your failure for not understanding that.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are obviously blind. You even quoted it.
    Oh, your single sentence, drive-by nonsense?

    You didn't make an argument, you made a comment. My response was in direct relation to what you said. Which, for the third or fourth time now, was preposterous.

    Look, make a good argument presenting your ideas and defending them and we can continue this. But I'm not going to waste any more time on nonsense.

    Actually, I'm logging off for the weekend and we'll both have forgotten about this come Monday so don't even bother responding to me.

    Have a nice weekend.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Just more dishonesty from you.
    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    My response was in direct relation to what you said.
    No they were not.
    They were nothing but dishonest attempts to dismiss what was said, and as such, not relevant.


    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Which, for the third or fourth time now, was preposterous.
    D'oh! Wrong!

    If they allow active encouragement of their citizens to break our laws, they are partially responsible. There is nothing preposterous about that.
    And further supported by their own immigration position. "since they are not doing anything to stem the tide, when the Country itself is against illegal immigration into it's own borders they are far more culpable, and should be held responsible.

    Such "preposterous" exists solely in your own thoughts.


    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Look, make a good argument presenting your ideas and defending them and we can continue this.
    This is you again not understanding that this is solely about the question. Not about ways to accomplish an affirmative answer to the question.


    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Actually, I'm logging off for the weekend and we'll both have forgotten about this come Monday so don't even bother responding to me.
    Yes, please run from your not understanding this is about the question and not anything else.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    iLOL

    Your response is hilariously funny.
    No it is not relevant to the question asked.
    As you have already been told and can't seem to understand, the question asked is simply about whether a person believes they should be or not.
    Not as to how if they do.
    Learn the difference.

    If I had asked "How", it would be relevant to the question. Yet I didn't.

    It is amazingly asinine that you would be dishonest as such.
    It is not a falsehood. Nor could it ever be.
    You however make false arguments.

    What is asinine is you not understanding that whether a person believes such or not is not dependent on any suggestion as to how it may or may not be accomplished.
    And no one is preventing you form discussing such options it just isn't relative to the in-general question.

    The question is not about how. Only if a person thinks they should or should no be.
    Your failure for not understanding that.
    You see, this is what we face dealing with people that exist in an ideological dream world that suggests active suspension of critical thought.

    What you seem to not realize (or are desperately trying to ignore... perhaps both) is that your thinking here is why we end up in the mentality of policing the actions of other nations in a manner we see fit no matter what we are doing in our own backyard. The severity of impact to this nation, direct or indirect or not at all, just the suggestion that we can hold some other nation responsible without explanation in how or why is itself grade school level thinking. You may not like that, but it is accurate.

    Ultimately we cannot hold Mexico "responsible" except by force, and even then the impact is questionable in action and likely long term implication. You know it, and I know it.

    The truth of the matter is *our* immigration problems are ours to solve. It boils down to dealing with policy in a way that makes economic and social sense then deciding to enforcing it. Until then, holding Mexico "responsible" is both absurd and a false argument. We do not bother to enforce our own laws we have on the books right now. So you pretending that you are engaging in meaningful discussion asking such an elementary question within the confines of ideological foolishness is useless.

    Congrats, the above post and the language of it proves my point conclusively.
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