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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If they allow active encouragement of their citizens to break out laws, they are partially responsible.
    And since they are not doing anything to stem the tide, when the Country itself is against illegal immigration into it's own borders they are far more culpable, and should be held responsible.
    And how would you propose we hold them responsible?
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    And how would you propose we hold them responsible?
    How is not part of of the question.
    Should they be, or at least attempted to be? Yes or no.
    I already answered yes and you quoted me saying so. How is not part of it.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    How is not part of of the question.
    Should they be, or at least attempted to be? Yes or no.
    I already answered yes and you quoted me saying so. How is not part of it.
    So you do not think reality is relevant here? How can the question not be important?
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    So you do not think reality is relevant here? How can the question not be important?
    I did not say it is not important.
    But it is not relevant to the question in general (the Poll) to see where folks stand.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Should we be holding or attempting to hold Mexico responsible for their Citizens that cross over and become illegals?
    Yes or no?
    I thought the United States was against countries that wall their people in...like that Berlin thingy
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If they allow active encouragement of their citizens to break out laws, they are partially responsible.
    And since they are not doing anything to stem the tide, when the Country itself is against illegal immigration into it's own borders they are far more culpable, and should be held responsible.
    Pretty simple thing to do from the "If I were King" side of law making. Impose a 35% tax on all remittances sent back to Mexico from the US.

    It's one of the largest contributors to Mexico's economy.

    If 35% is too high, base the amount collected from the estimated $25 billion sent annually on how many of the 20 million illegals living here are from Mexico, and how much they cost the economy in jobs taken from legal residents, and in services taken, but not paid for. Collect that.

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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Exactly how do you plan on doing that?

    Fill us in.

    I doubt that the U.S. Calvary will be riding into Mexico on a punitive expedition anytime soon.
    We could use former Gen. Curtis LeMay's strategy, bomb Mexico back into the stone age.

    Mexico has always been a complete basket case. Give them a second chance and let them start over from scratch.

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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If they allow active encouragement of their citizens to break out laws, they are partially responsible.
    They're partially responsible because they don't oppress their citizenry by criminalizing liberal democratic virtues like freedom of speech that the United States purports to be a symbol of to the whole world?

    Like I said, absurd.

    And since they are not doing anything to stem the tide, when the Country itself is against illegal immigration into it's own borders they are far more culpable, and should be held responsible.
    So "the greatest country in the world" has to pawn off our responsibility for securing our own borders onto our third world neighbors?

    Again, absurd.
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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    NAFTA and the fact that Mexico is still our third largest supplier of oil pretty much tells the story.

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    Re: Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It's quite ironic because when you look at it, a very large reason why Mexico is so messed up, so violent and so corrupt is partially and I really want to emphasize that, partially BECAUSE of the United States.

    The fact of the matter is, is that US Citizens demand for illicit drugs fuels the violence and gave rise to all of these brutal drug barons, who have completely corrupted the Mexican Police Force, army and government and who's minions propagate increasingly brutal crime.

    It's one thing for a country to just be poor, there are plenty of countries with Mexican poverty that DON'T HAVE the kind of violence Mexico does and it's almost entirely fueled by American demand for illicit drugs.

    Many parts of Mexico are hell on Earth and you'd want to escape them too.

    I'm not trying to say that illegal immigration is ok.

    But when you look at it from that perspective, when you look at the fact that American demand for drugs fuels instability in Mexico and creates part of the reason why people would want to cross the border it's pretty ironic the OP would want to "Hold Mexico Accountable".

    would I be correct in paraphrasing that the US can hardly hold Mexico responsible for corruption when it is America's own corruption in illegal drugs that fuels the Mexican corruption?
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