Should policemen wear body cameras?

herenow1 · Dec 4, 2014

Someone made a good point today that the choking death was on video and still nobody' was held accountable..... So yea...it may not make much difference.

Thx · Dec 4, 2014

Someone made a pretty good point that with no indictment for the chokehold, something that was clearly shown on video, if that couldn't get an indictment what good will body cams do?

(I am still for them!

)

And I have to wonder how many times the camera will be off or have a low battery or will be malfunctioned, right at the critical time.

But, it is a step in the right direction and the right thing to do for all parties concerned, I just hope we won't see the above mentioned abuses.

It begs the question though: "can police ever be indicted under any circumstance?"

Thx

Thx · Dec 4, 2014

herenow1 said:
Someone made a good point today that the choking death was on video and still nobody' was held accountable..... So yea...it may not make much difference.

Lol, I didn't see your post up above, I believe it was on Rev. Al?

Thx

herenow1 · Dec 4, 2014

Thx said:
Lol, I didn't see your post up above, I believe it was on Rev. Al?

Thx

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MMC · Dec 4, 2014

tacomancer said:
I'm wondering what the point is if our court system won't hold cops accountable for their actions.

:roll:

Former Chicago Officer Convicted in Murder Plot - NYTimes.com

FBI — Former Houston Police Department Officer Convicted ...

FBI — Former Philadelphia Police Officer Convicted in ...

NYPD officer convicted of grand larceny

Cop Finally Convicted in Killing .....snip~

US Policers Officers Convicted in 2014 - Bing

Bodi · Dec 4, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
I would absolutely never work as a law enforcement officer anywhere without one. Can you imagine if Darren Wilson had been wearing a body Kim all of the race baiters would be forever discredited

Hell, I don't even go to my ex-wife's house without my camera... honestly. The **** she (and the public) make up is amazing. Gotta protect yourself.

pbrauer · Dec 4, 2014

Lutherf said:
Of course it will because we have absolutely no video evidence of the Garner incident.:roll:

Right now everyone is looking for a panacea to stop stuff they don't like to hear about. Cameras on cops are going to be just as effective at stopping crime as assault weapon bans will be at stopping school shootings and the basic principle is the same....."Presume they're all guilty and make them pay!!"

With Garner the police didn't know they were being recorded, if they knew they were, they would be less aggressive.

Fiddytree · Dec 4, 2014

pbrauer said:
With Garner the police didn't know they were being recorded, if they knew they were, they would be less aggressive.

Not if they are seen as the norm. People forget.

That being said, he was also making the argument that there would not be more desirable outcomes or less contentious legal proceedings as a result.

vesper · Dec 4, 2014

MMC said:
:roll:

Former Chicago Officer Convicted in Murder Plot - NYTimes.com

FBI — Former Houston Police Department Officer Convicted ...

FBI — Former Philadelphia Police Officer Convicted in ...

NYPD officer convicted of grand larceny

Cop Finally Convicted in Killing .....snip~

US Policers Officers Convicted in 2014 - Bing

Thanks MMC for your post. There are such a thing as bad cops. There is bad in every profession. And all needs to be held accountable. However, there seems to be a mindset being put forth that cops are not held accountable. That white cops are racists, racial profiling, out for the black man. If it continues on this path, there won't be a white cop willing to go into a black neighborhood to arrest a criminal that is black because they don't want Eric Holder and Al Sharpton ruining their lives over doing their job.

pbrauer · Dec 4, 2014

Fiddytree said:
Not if they are seen as the norm. People forget.

That being said, he was also making the argument that there would not be more desirable outcomes or less contentious legal proceedings as a result.

I don't think the results will be worse with body cams. With Garner, there were several policemen and that means there would be several cams in action. I think the cans could in some cases exonerate the police.

MMC · Dec 4, 2014

vesper said:
Thanks MMC for your post. There are such a thing as bad cops. There is bad in every profession. And all needs to be held accountable. However, there seems to be a mindset being put forth that cops are not held accountable. That white cops are racists, racial profiling, out for the black man. If it continues on this path, there won't be a white cop willing to go into a black neighborhood to arrest a criminal that is black because they don't want Eric Holder and Al Sharpton ruining their lives over doing their job.

Heya V.

Not just White Cops either.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...oups-descended-ferguson-mo-like-vultures.html

How Many Police Killings Are There Annually?

Today’s Wall Street Journal has a front page story titled, “Hundreds of Police Killings Uncounted in Federal Statistics.”

However, there is an unstated bias at work here. It is in the unfortunate title of the Journal article quoted above. “Uncounted in Federal Statistics.” But the Journal is hardly alone. The bias/assumption is that the FBI “oversees” police departments across America. Thus, it follows that those departments ought to be reporting data to the FBI. This is incorrect. Local police do not report to the FBI. Often departments cooperate with one another. Cooperation should not be confused with a legal obligation.

Governors should be responsible for this data-gathering task, not the federal government. Btw, the article says, “Also missing from the FBI data are killings involving federal officers.”.....snip~

PoliceMisconduct.net | The Cato Institute's National Police Misconduct Reporting Project

AGENT J · Dec 4, 2014

timslash said:
1.)Well, what do you think?
2.)Will this stop lawlessness or not?
3.) I think that it will be very useful!
Of course some "smart" people will find how to come over this rule, but for majority...!
And i think it also will decrease number of cases like Michael Brown or Garner!

1.)yes 100%
2.) no of course not but it will help
3.) i agree it push accountability in both directions

vesper · Dec 4, 2014

MMC said:
Heya V.

Not just White Cops either.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...oups-descended-ferguson-mo-like-vultures.html

How Many Police Killings Are There Annually?

Today’s Wall Street Journal has a front page story titled, “Hundreds of Police Killings Uncounted in Federal Statistics.”

However, there is an unstated bias at work here. It is in the unfortunate title of the Journal article quoted above. “Uncounted in Federal Statistics.” But the Journal is hardly alone. The bias/assumption is that the FBI “oversees” police departments across America. Thus, it follows that those departments ought to be reporting data to the FBI. This is incorrect. Local police do not report to the FBI. Often departments cooperate with one another. Cooperation should not be confused with a legal obligation.

Governors should be responsible for this data-gathering task, not the federal government. Btw, the article says, “Also missing from the FBI data are killings involving federal officers.”.....snip~

PoliceMisconduct.net | The Cato Institute's National Police Misconduct Reporting Project

I saw Sheriff Clarke's interviews on the web. Awesome. For a man of color to speak out against this administration comes with its ugly backlashes and I have seen plenty of articles doing just that. In fact any man/woman of color who dare speak out in opposition is put through the meat grinder in the MSM. My heart goes out to them. These people show such great courage. My hope is Clarke someday run for office where he really has a bully pulpit.

MMC · Dec 4, 2014

vesper said:
I saw Sheriff Clarke's interviews on the web. Awesome. For a man of color to speak out against this administration comes with its ugly backlashes and I have seen plenty of articles doing just that. In fact any man/woman of color who dare speak out in opposition is put through the meat grinder in the MSM. My heart goes out to them. These people show such great courage. My hope is Clarke someday run for office where he really has a bully pulpit.

Still with this camera issue on cops.....we will see how long that lasts when parents' kids are arrested for things wherein cops would have let them slide or sent them home for the night.

vesper · Dec 4, 2014

MMC said:
Still with this camera issue on cops.....we will see how long that lasts when parents' kids are arrested for things wherein cops would have let them slide or sent them home for the night.

In many ways I see where cameras will protect the officers from unfounded accusations. On the other hand any silver tongued lawyer can twist and scrutinize to a fault a video. The video doesn't show what led up to the arrest. The video doesn't tell what kind of person the officer is dealing with. Videos are just a small part of what led the officer to confront an individual. There could be undercover cops involved. There could be ongoing surveillance. None of that is captured in the video but could be used as a tool in the wrong hands to unjustly paint an officer of wrong doing.

MMC · Dec 4, 2014

vesper said:
In many ways I see where cameras will protect the officers from unfounded accusations. On the other hand any silver tongued lawyer can twist and scrutinize to a fault a video. The video doesn't show what led up to the arrest. The video doesn't tell what kind of person the officer is dealing with. Videos are just a small part of what led the officer to confront an individual. There could be undercover cops involved. There could be ongoing surveillance. None of that is captured in the video but could be used as a tool in the wrong hands to unjustly paint an officer of wrong doing.

As I mentioned before.....the police already have drones. So they will end up being used. Despite any cameras on Officers and their Cruisers.

Lakeside · Dec 4, 2014

Cameras should be on all LEO's . Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Cameras will keep LEO's in line with the Oath they took and can also help in criminal investigations. It is a win-win situation for LEO's that abide by the Oath they swore.

mike2810 · Dec 4, 2014

It may be a good idea. Yet like a Blue Blood episode had a camera fail during an arrest. Of course the defense claimed the LEO turned it off to not show his use of force.

Then there are well the digital film has been altered/edited.

I see the pro/con on their use.

vesper · Dec 4, 2014

MMC said:
As I mentioned before.....the police already have drones. So they will end up being used. Despite any cameras on Officers and their Cruisers.

What is so deplorable is that we are having a conversation putting law enforcement on the hot seat due to activist groups and the leadership of this country from the top down starting with the top cop Eric Holder. I got to vent.....so here it goes. If I was a white cop, for the next couple of years I would avoid arresting any black man for wrong doing to avoid having my life turned into shambles by people like Al Sharpton to Eric Holder. I would recommend they save themselves before all else. Sound sad? Well that is where we are at. Any black cop who dares to buck this administration know damn good and well it will result in a personal attack on their character from being an "Uncle Tom" to right wing extremist. That is where we are at thanks to activists that want to destroy this country one institution at a time.

Phys251 · Dec 4, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
I would absolutely never work as a law enforcement officer anywhere without one. Can you imagine if Darren Wilson had been wearing a body Kim all of the race baiters would be forever discredited

If by "race baiters" you mean the anti-black venom that has exploded in the wake of Ferguson, then yes.

Eric Garner's killer, however, was being filmed. So there.

MMC · Dec 4, 2014

vesper said:
What is so deplorable is that we are having a conversation putting law enforcement on the hot seat due to activist groups and the leadership of this country from the top down starting with the top cop Eric Holder. I got to vent.....so here it goes. If I was a white cop, for the next couple of years I would avoid arresting any black man for wrong doing to avoid having my life turned into shambles by people like Al Sharpton to Eric Holder. I would recommend they save themselves before all else. Sound sad? Well that is where we are at. Any black cop who dares to buck this administration know damn good and well it will result in a personal attack on their character from being an "Uncle Tom" to right wing extremist. That is where we are at thanks to activists that want to destroy this country one institution at a time.

For myself.....I think we the people should be going after the MS media and their alleged Reporters. Completely destroying their lives once they start adding their own opinions to reporting. Or do that other thinking for people. Also States should file Lawsuits against Holder for manipulation of Civil Rights Laws.

Btw did anyone around here ever put up who BO has picked for his AG?

Bodi · Dec 4, 2014

Phys251 said:
If by "race baiters" you mean the anti-black venom that has exploded in the wake of Ferguson, then yes.

Eric Garner's killer, however, was being filmed. So there.

What has exploded has been anti-asshole protestors venom...

Bodi · Dec 4, 2014

All cops should have to wear body cameras... mandatory.

Phys251 · Dec 4, 2014

Bodhisattva said:
What has exploded has been anti-asshole protestors venom...

You may be unintentionally right. The protesters ARE anti-asshole.

Of course, as we have clearly seen, many whites prefer to literally kill these messengers instead of listen to them. Listening is not an ability that racists have.

vesper · Dec 4, 2014

MMC said:
For myself.....I think we the people should be going after the MS media and their alleged Reporters. Completely destroying their lives once they start adding their own opinions to reporting. Or do that other thinking for people. Also States should file Lawsuits against Holder for manipulation of Civil Rights Laws.

Btw did anyone around here ever put up who BO has picked for his AG?

When the MSM no longer "reports" news but follows a political agenda it becomes propaganda. I think the case has clearly been made on that issue. They now sit on stories rather than reporting on them that would be detrimental politically to them. I'm not sure how one fights against that except through the Internet which the left also seems Hell bent on controlling as well to squash free speech that is against their agenda as well.

As far as the next pick for AG? Last I read, Al Sharpton claimed he was involved in that process to aid the administration in their next pick. How comforting. :roll: Like I stated, for the next two years of the Obama administration, all white cops need to protect their own backs, and the black cops who speak out against this administration, know that your very character will be run through the meat grinder in the MSM because you dare speak in a voice off the reservation.

Should policemen wear body cameras?

Shoul or not?

Of course, it will be very useful

No, just NO!

Hmm...Hard to say

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