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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    He may have been speaking from grief for his stepson..
    People say stuff they don't mean when they are angry.
    And if he was prosecuted, this whole sad affair is never going to end..

    Until the next time..

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I agree. Plus, if the guy had any kind of relationship with his stepson, he may have been overly emotional as most fathers would be. I say leave the dude alone.
    Kind of my take too in regards to this single instance. Was he potentially inciting a crime? Yes. However, given the situation he was in at that immediete moment I'd be hesistant to take any action against him unless there's clear cut evidence that his inciting directly led to an actual arson being committed. Since it doesn't seem to be the case I wouldn't really pursue it at all, even if what he did was technically illegal (not sure if it was or not).

    Now if he continued doing something like that days after when emotions are not at their peak point, that'd be a different story.

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If by evidence do you mean is there undisputed evidence that he said "burn the mother****ers down" and all of that? Or evidence that his words actually incited the riots/looting/mother****ing burning"?

    As far as imagining the riots if he was arrested, that's a really scary thought and you're so right...it was be mayhem (even worse than it already is).
    Merely stating the words in public is evidence of incitement to violence. I'm not sure that even violence has to occur. It's the incitement (the speaking of the words in public) that is illegal. But the fact that violence did occur soon afterwords makes that question moot.

    Some people don't realize that freedom of speech is not all encompassing. Your freedom to speak ends at the beginning of someone else's rights, and it is illegal to tell people in a public forum to harm other people or property. It is illegal to yell "fire" in a theater, even if not everyone runs for safety, believing there's a fire. It's the words spoken that are illegal.

    If I go on tv or other public forum and say ya da ya da ya da, and conclud with saying that people need to rise up and assassinate Obama (which I would never do, obviously), I would be arrested and charged with a crime, whether or not someone tried to act on my words.

    So he should be arrested & charged for inciting violence on the property or persons of other people. But he won't be. He'll get a pass.

    Imagine if a KKK member were to give an angry speech and tell people to rise up and set fire to black businesses, saying "burn 'em! burn 'em!" That is illegal.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Merely stating the words in public is evidence of incitement to violence. I'm not sure that even violence has to occur. It's the incitement (the speaking of the words in public) that is illegal. But the fact that violence did occur soon afterwords makes that question moot.

    Some people don't realize that freedom of speech is not all encompassing. Your freedom to speak ends at the beginning of someone else's rights, and it is illegal to tell people in a public forum to harm other people or property. It is illegal to yell "fire" in a theater, even if not everyone runs for safety, believing there's a fire. It's the words spoken that are illegal.

    If I go on tv or other public forum and say ya da ya da ya da, and conclud with saying that people need to rise up and assassinate Obama (which I would never do, obviously), I would be arrested and charged with a crime, whether or not someone tried to act on my words.

    So he should be arrested & charged for inciting violence on the property or persons of other people. But he won't be. He'll get a pass.

    Imagine if a KKK member were to give an angry speech and tell people to rise up and set fire to black businesses, saying "burn 'em! burn 'em!" That is illegal.
    We have another thread on this board right now where the preacher has, on several occasions from the pulpit, called for the assassination of President Obama. Two visits from the Secret Service later? No arrest. I think our government is loath to prosecute these kinds of things for obvious reasons.

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Merely stating the words in public is evidence of incitement to violence. I'm not sure that even violence has to occur. It's the incitement (the speaking of the words in public) that is illegal. But the fact that violence did occur soon afterwords makes that question moot.

    Some people don't realize that freedom of speech is not all encompassing. Your freedom to speak ends at the beginning of someone else's rights, and it is illegal to tell people in a public forum to harm other people or property. It is illegal to yell "fire" in a theater, even if not everyone runs for safety, believing there's a fire. It's the words spoken that are illegal.

    If I go on tv or other public forum and say ya da ya da ya da, and conclud with saying that people need to rise up and assassinate Obama (which I would never do, obviously), I would be arrested and charged with a crime, whether or not someone tried to act on my words.

    So he should be arrested & charged for inciting violence on the property or persons of other people. But he won't be. He'll get a pass.

    Imagine if a KKK member were to give an angry speech and tell people to rise up and set fire to black businesses, saying "burn 'em! burn 'em!" That is illegal.
    I don't think Michael Brown's father can compare in anyway to the KKK!

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We have another thread on this board right now where the preacher has, on several occasions from the pulpit, called for the assassination of President Obama. Two visits from the Secret Service later? No arrest. I think our government is loath to prosecute these kinds of things for obvious reasons.

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    I don't think Michael Brown's father can compare in anyway to the KKK!
    Well, actually it's his stepfather that incited the violence, and I can see JJ's point.

    Both are inciting violence. Both would be calling for businesses to be burned, out of hate and anger.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by twixie1 View Post
    I don't think Michael Brown's father can compare in anyway to the KKK!
    It doesn't matter what you or I think of the person speaking. What matters is the WORDS spoken in a public forum. I gave that as an example because of course no reasonable person, much less black people, would think the KKK person's speech is freedom of speech. AND because a U S Supreme Court decision defining and clarifying "incitement to violence" speech is an appeal by a KKK man who gave a speech on tv and declared that "revengeance" must be taken on N___s and Jews, while burning a cross for the tv. Decision: Guilty of inciting violence...even though there was no violence by the public shown to result from the televised speech.


    Think of how much milder those words are ("revengeance" must be taken) than (burn 'em burn 'em!), and yet, incitement to violence was found. Fined $1k and 10 years in prison. People who incite others to violence are very dangerous. The father of Michael Brown, in the midst of unrest and violent protests over the lack of an indictment, carried a lot of weight in the community.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    No, he shouldn't be prosecuted. He did admit to being wrong, and going over the top. Doesn't make it right, but we don't need to prosecute.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We have another thread on this board right now where the preacher has, on several occasions from the pulpit, called for the assassination of President Obama. Two visits from the Secret Service later? No arrest. I think our government is loath to prosecute these kinds of things for obvious reasons.

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