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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It may be an easy olive branch to offer since it wasn't your entire life's work in your business burned down leading to your financial ruin.

    I am interested to see if anyone will say he should be arrested and put on trial so a jury should decide - like so many claim should have been done with Wilson.

    It is an interesting question, though. In a way, it is the Charles Manson issue. If you don't commit the crime, but tell others to do it and they do, are you part of it?
    The difference is that the Manson "family" committed their crimes because of Charles Manson, what happened in Furguson would have happened regardless of anything the stepdad said.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Nah. While he may have said "Burn this bitch down" at the end of the day, the people who committed arson are responsible for their actions. You may condemn what he said, but the people who committed arson still had a choice as to whether or not they would go through with the act. They have ears, eyes, and minds of their own.
    If he helped incite a riot, then he certainly should be prosecuted for it. I doubt they will do it though. We all know people that have lost kids or step kids, as a parent its the worst thing that can happen to you. However, I don't know anyone that has lost a kid and then took that as an opportunity to incite a violent riot.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    The difference is that the Manson "family" committed their crimes because of Charles Manson, what happened in Furguson would have happened regardless of anything the stepdad said.
    I don't know if that matters from a legal perspective though. If a guy jumps out the window of a high rise and you shoot him before he hits the ground, you will be charged with murder despite the fact that guy would have died anyway a second later when he hit the ground. I am not sure how this would be any different. Most likely there would have been a violent riot anyway, but his step dad did take that as an opportunity to incite violence from a crowd.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't know if that matters from a legal perspective though. If a guy jumps out the window of a high rise and you shoot him before he hits the ground, you will be charged with murder despite the fact that guy would have died anyway a second later when he hit the ground. I am not sure how this would be any different. Most likely there would have been a violent riot anyway, but his step dad did take that as an opportunity to incite violence from a crowd.
    But in that case, you actually literally did cause the death of the person (presuming that it could be proven that the gun shot caused the death prior to him hitting the ground). In this case, the riots were not caused by anything he said. Don't get me wrong, I don't like defending the guy. I think his statement was a complete douchebag thing to say, but you'd have to prove that his words were what caused the riots and I don't think you could.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    My guess is the DA/police will decide not to prosecute specifically fearing the effects if they do. But that isn't really legally valid, is it? Or is it?

    I suppose it could be argued that no one should be prosecuted to appease others, but maybe not prosecuting to avoid greater harm is a proper decision for "The state" to make - since it is the state/government and not victims who are prosecuting.

    Yes, I can understand the family's anger (in a way and in a way not), but I also certainly can understand the anger of the owner of the burned business and the anger of all their employees who now can't pay their rent, car payment or buy groceries.

    So... if the stepdad had started raging "FIRE THE DA! PROSECUTE THE DA! HAVE ANOTHER GRAND JURY HEAR IT! SEND IT TO ANOTHER COUNTY TO DECIDE! REPLACE THE MAYOR!!" etc - for sure his calling for that action would be legal - even if it then took a bad turn into a riot. But BURN THE BITCH DOWN! is problematical since was specific in a specific setting and arson (a terrible, terrible crime) was done on a vast scale.

    Would it have happened anyway or to that extent if his rage had been towards political opposition, "march on the courthouse!" or some other furious outburst?
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    But in that case, you actually literally did cause the death of the person (presuming that it could be proven that the gun shot caused the death prior to him hitting the ground). In this case, the riots were not caused by anything he said. Don't get me wrong, I don't like defending the guy. I think his statement was a complete douchebag thing to say, but you'd have to prove that his words were what caused the riots and I don't think you could.
    What if "attempted" is put in front the charge? In many states, that reduces the grade of the offense 1 degree. So rather than the charge being "inciting a riot (or arson)" - instead "attempting to incite a riot (or arson)?"

    (I don't know if that legality of "attempted" applies in Missouri).

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    As the media (both sides) poured all the gasoline on this they could for ratings and focus - I noticed something. Did you notice it?

    I can not recall one time the media left or right on MLK Jr calling for NON VIOLENT protests and giving his reasons why. Rather, the media just kept predicting riots and arson - long before that was happening and only while there were peaceful protests - for which ultimately the media's predictions became self fulfilling prophesy.

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It may be an easy olive branch to offer since it wasn't your entire life's work in your business burned down leading to your financial ruin.

    I am interested to see if anyone will say he should be arrested and put on trial so a jury should decide - like so many claim should have been done with Wilson.

    It is an interesting question, though. In a way, it is the Charles Manson issue. If you don't commit the crime, but tell others to do it and they do, are you part of it?
    The problem is that, regardless of what is right and wrong and the legalities, should the police, the same police who killed his son (not criminally responsible, but did pull the trigger) arrest the stepfather, you might as well start handing out the lighter fluid and just write off Ferguson.

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    As the media (both sides) poured all the gasoline on this they could for ratings and focus - I noticed something. Did you notice it?

    I can not recall one time the media left or right on MLK Jr calling for NON VIOLENT protests and giving his reasons why. Rather, the media just kept predicting riots and arson - long before that was happening and only while there were peaceful protests - for which ultimately the media's predictions became self fulfilling prophesy.
    I've always though it was bull**** to point fingers at the media. The media is responsible for showing what is going on on the ground, and what the mood of the general public is. Were they to completely ignore the the riots and arson, that would of been grossly inaccurate of them to try and portray that picture. All the media did, and they did a good job in the aftermath (at least CNN did, Fox didn't have as much a presence on the ground) was to be in the midst of it and show the human drama that was going on. And by the way, many pundits were calling for non-violent protests, but that was never going to happened sadly, not in Ferguson at least. Outside things have been peaceful for the 95-99% of protests.

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