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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It's not the same. You're proposing that we charge Brown's Father, when the rioting has already ceased, thus restarting the violence. At some point you have to decide if it's really worth it to push an issue. Really you have to think of it more like negotiations in war, trying to come to a peace agreement then delivering "justice". Besides, would it be Justice if more people died just because you felt like you had to make a martyr out of Brown's father?
    Except that we're not at war. We're supposedly a civilized society. And in such Browns mothers BF/Step dad or whatever he was/is should at the least be put before a grand jury just like Wilson was. I don't care if they decide to try him or not. The process needs to be followed through. Otherwise this could just encourage more people to incite violence.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that we're not at war. We're supposedly a civilized society. And in such Browns mothers BF/Step dad or whatever he was/is should at the least be put before a grand jury just like Wilson was. I don't care if they decide to try him or not. The process needs to be followed through. Otherwise this could just encourage more people to incite violence.
    But the violence has stopped. You do agree though that arresting him and putting him on trial is going to lead to more violence, yes?

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    But the violence has stopped. You do agree though that arresting him and putting him on trial is going to lead to more violence, yes?
    So we should just ignore the law?

    Lets reverse this. Lets say the KKK got together and someone in it incited violence of the type seen in Ferguson. They let people know that if that person is charged with incitement to violence then they would riot again and burn even more buildings...should that person get away with their crime?
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So we should just ignore the law?

    Lets reverse this. Lets say the KKK got together and someone in it incited violence of the type seen in Ferguson. They let people know that if that person is charged with incitement to violence then they would riot again and burn even more buildings...should that person get away with their crime?
    This is why brought in the war time analogy. When your trying to bring about peace, and really at this point that's what we're trying to do to calm everyone down, some compromises have to be made. I mean, there is what's good for the individual, and what's good for the community as a whole. I'm not saying that we should try a person who isn't guilty, but if "pardoning" a man brings about a little stability and peace to the community, and prevents the loss of another life, then I think it's worth it. Nothing is gained by prosecuting the man at this point. Now if he were actively continuing in the provocation, then I'd be with you. To me it's not a race thing, it's about what is going to calm things down in that area.

    And your analogy by the way is problematic to begin with because the KKK is an organization with a leader and structure to it. We're talking about a mob here, with no clear leadership, otherwise police would probably be targeting them. On the other hand, if the member of the KKK did something, you can reasonably assume that there was an order given unless said leader comes out and offers up the one's who were responsible. So the difference?

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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    This is why brought in the war time analogy. When your trying to bring about peace, and really at this point that's what we're trying to do to calm everyone down, some compromises have to be made. I mean, there is what's good for the individual, and what's good for the community as a whole. I'm not saying that we should try a person who isn't guilty, but if "pardoning" a man brings about a little stability and peace to the community, and prevents the loss of another life, then I think it's worth it. Nothing is gained by prosecuting the man at this point. Now if he were actively continuing in the provocation, then I'd be with you. To me it's not a race thing, it's about what is going to calm things down in that area.

    And your analogy by the way is problematic to begin with because the KKK is an organization with a leader and structure to it. We're talking about a mob here, with no clear leadership, otherwise police would probably be targeting them. On the other hand, if the member of the KKK did something, you can reasonably assume that there was an order given unless said leader comes out and offers up the one's who were responsible. So the difference?
    The leader of the KKK just denounced what that other KKK members did and claims to not have sanctioned it. What are you going to do?

    And sorry, I don't agree with your war analogy because we are not in a war. We have a bunch of idiotic people that are throwing tantrums because they are not getting their way. You don't reason with such children. You spank them.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The leader of the KKK just denounced what that other KKK members did and claims to not have sanctioned it. What are you going to do?

    And sorry, I don't agree with your war analogy because we are not in a war. We have a bunch of idiotic people that are throwing tantrums because they are not getting their way. You don't reason with such children. You spank them.
    Okay, again this is a silly analogy to perpetuate because really, what is the membership numbers of the KKK? I don't have to worry about them sparking violence in a dozen American city. You arrest Michael Brown's step-dad and even go so far as to indict him, that's what you will be bringing. So no, I don't think it's worth it. Now you can go ahead and try to "spank them", but I'll guarantee you, that should you try, more lives will be lost.

    Now let me ask you a question: How much is the pursuit of justice worth to you in this instance? How many lives and millions of dollars of property damage are you willing to risk to achieve what you believe to be "justice".
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    He doesn't have to light the fire to be an accessory before the fact.

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    Okay, well have they charged him?
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It's not the same. You're proposing that we charge Brown's Father, when the rioting has already ceased, thus restarting the violence. At some point you have to decide if it's really worth it to push an issue. Really you have to think of it more like negotiations in war, trying to come to a peace agreement then delivering "justice". Besides, would it be Justice if more people died just because you felt like you had to make a martyr out of Brown's father?
    If that is your criteria then why charge anyone after the damage is done? You have simply picked a side (that of the rioters?) and are trying deperately to justify prosecutors making exceptions based on your bias. If it is not "worth it" to enforce the law then we will continue to see those that see destroying (and stealing) the property of those of the wrong race as a valid means of "expressing grief". What, exactly, do you see as justice for those that had their businesses destroyed? Why are those that advocate taking out their "grief" on parties that had ZERO to do with it now above the law? The nerve of that store owner to provide video proof that the alleged "gentle giant" was actually a violent thug.
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    Re: Should Michael Brown's Step father be prosecuted?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If that is your criteria then why charge anyone after the damage is done? You have simply picked a side (that of the rioters?) and are trying deperately to justify prosecutors making exceptions based on your bias. If it is not "worth it" to enforce the law then we will continue to see those that see destroying (and stealing) the property of those of the wrong race as a valid means of "expressing grief". What, exactly, do you see as justice for those that had their businesses destroyed? Why are those that advocate taking out their "grief" on parties that had ZERO to do with it? The nerve of that store owner to provide video proof that the alleged "gentle giant" was actually a violent thug.
    I think the ones that actually set fire to the buildings should be prosecuted. They committed a crime and someone does need to answer for it, I agree. But getting back to Brown's Father, we don't know he's a violent thug, and calling him such when you have no proof he carried out any of the acts of violence is not helpful to the the situation. All we have right now is a tape of him saying some incendiary things. I doubt you could even prove that those who committed said violence even heard him. And even if they did, they still could of chose not to commit the crime. Now had he actually of committed the arson, then I would say he should be punished. But as it stands, locking up a man who was obviously grief-stricken step father for words isn't worth one more night of violence across this country.

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