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Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

Should the driver be charged?


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Protestors surrounding your car in a highly charged atmosphere can be downright threatening.

Which is why he is a maniac for choosing to plough through the protestors and place himself in that situation. He chose to do that rather than take the opportunity (which was available as evidenced in the video), to simply cross lanes and allow the person in authority to direct his vehicle around the protestors.

The protestors were blocking the intersection. There were quite a few other vehicles inconvenienced and halted by their actions - they were not being surrounded and threatened.

The guy in the vehicle is a lunatic. No ifs, buts or maybes.
 
Pete, if you make it a practice of walking down the middle of the street because you think the pedestrian always has the right of way, you should stop doing that. I mean that sincerely. For your safety, I'm telling you that the pedestrian does not legally always have the right of way.
Likewise if you are driving in Dallas Texas and some protesters jump in front of you car you need to stop even though you think you have the right of way, the judge or jury may not see it you way and charge you with manslaughter.
 
And this is all beside the fact the protesters are on the wrong side of the issue.
 
Which is why he is a maniac for choosing to plough through the protestors and place himself in that situation. He chose to do that rather than take the opportunity (which was available as evidenced in the video), to simply cross lanes and allow the person in authority to direct his vehicle around the protestors.

The protestors were blocking the intersection. There were quite a few other vehicles inconvenienced and halted by their actions - they were not being surrounded and threatened.

The guy in the vehicle is a lunatic. No ifs, buts or maybes.

It's interesting you see the driver as the only one who should be expected to avoid a situation like that as if the protestors made no questionable choices themselves.
 
Likewise if you are driving in Dallas Texas and some protesters jump in front of you car you need to stop even though you think you have the right of way, the judge or jury may not see it you way and charge you with manslaughter.

If anyone, including but not limited to, gang members, car jackers, rioters, looters and/or protestors impede my vehicle when I'm somewhere I'm legally operating my vehicle, surround it and try to keep me where I don't want to be, I'll do what's necessary to protect myself and whoever's with me and yes, I'd expect to face judgment and you can bet I would insist that it be done by a jury.
 
From the first video I saw earlier this week I was not sure whether or not the driver did anything wrong, but based on this video (driving/ramming himself through a crowd of people) I would say arrest this man and try him for attempted murder/grievous bodily harm to numerous people. What kind of a moron just rams his way through a crowd. That is just totally insane.

The police also has their fair share of the blame, they should have blocked the road and diverted the traffic from that intersection IMHO.
 
From the first video I saw earlier this week I was not sure whether or not the driver did anything wrong, but based on this video (driving/ramming himself through a crowd of people) I would say arrest this man and try him for attempted murder/grievous bodily harm to numerous people. What kind of a moron just rams his way through a crowd. That is just totally insane.

The police also has their fair share of the blame, they should have blocked the road and diverted the traffic from that intersection IMHO.

Don't forget the people who were in the road.
 
From what I see the crowd doesn't form around the car; the car tried to force it's way through the crowd. The driver should be charged. Also using the video, if the people obstructing traffic can be identified, they can be charged or ticketed, whichever is appropriate for the laws where it happened.
 
Don't forget the people who were in the road.

I did not forget them, but they are people demonstrating and are no match for a big hunk of metal with an engine to propel it.
 
If anyone, including but not limited to, gang members, car jackers, rioters, looters and/or protestors impede my vehicle when I'm somewhere I'm legally operating my vehicle, surround it and try to keep me where I don't want to be, I'll do what's necessary to protect myself and whoever's with me and yes, I'd expect to face judgment and you can bet I would insist that it be done by a jury.

but driving through and over pedestrians who are jaywalking (if you want to put it like that because there is zero evidence that they are gang members, car jackers, rioters or looters) is not legally operating your vehicle IMHO. If you want to not be surrounded, then you would be wise not to try and ram your way through a crowd of people (like this driver did) instead of slowly reversing and driving around the group of people as others on that road where doing.

Being impeded by protesters does not give anyone a right to drive through them because that is not legally operating a vehicle.
 
I did not forget them, but they are people demonstrating and are no match for a big hunk of metal with an engine to propel it.
All the more reason for them to get off the road.

Not as wrong as the driver was.
As wrong, if not more. It's one thing to have a heat-of-the-moment oopsie with a car, especially a guy with anger issues like this driver....it's quite another to experience systemic failure of logic by 1 remaining on the wrong side of the issue in the first place, and 2 endangering yourself to announce to the world that you're on the wrong side of the issue. These people have had time to calm down and come back to reality yet they persist. They're sick. They need to be treated.
 
It is my argument that the entire Ferguson issue has become almost entirely divided down party lines. In fact, so divided, that even the simple driving of a car into a group of people is divisive. Some people think it was within the drivers right and some don't. I'm posting this poll to get an idea of what your lean is (liberal vs conservative) and where you stand on whether the driver should be charged or not.

If you have not seen or looked into this yet, here are videos shot of the incident:



*Edit:

The last option should say liberal - could a mod edit that for me?


cant answer the poll since im independant but ill say the same thing i said in the other thread

well so far nothing has changed for me on this. Ive seen aerial and ground video?
I stand by my original statements. Has there been any other video or verbal testimony?

Unless something happened BEFORE the ariel video starts (when the driver had a clear path to go left but choose to go right and plow into people) there is ZERO justification for the actions.

heres the video again
https://www.google.com/search?q=car...a=X&ei=pSV8VNn_FPaBsQSs-YK4Cw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

the driver should be charged with multiple accounts of gross negligence, reckless endangerment, reckless driving, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and attempted vehicular homicide.

at the 12sec (and 43sec) mark that lady (looks like a lady) is run over and she wasn't even facing the vehicle she was walking by.
at the 1:01 mark is that a cop that stops the guy from hitting the windshield and the perseus the vehicle?? he seems to stop really quick thats why i wonder
also at the 1:07 mark, right screen, a child 6 maybe? thats the type of crowd this nut case plowed into . . . not condoning kids being there but they were there

and this has nothing to do with whether one agrees with the protest or not, you cant initiate force and threaten people with a vehicle . . .
 
It is my argument that the entire Ferguson issue has become almost entirely divided down party lines. In fact, so divided, that even the simple driving of a car into a group of people is divisive. Some people think it was within the drivers right and some don't. I'm posting this poll to get an idea of what your lean is (liberal vs conservative) and where you stand on whether the driver should be charged or not.

If you have not seen or looked into this yet, here are videos shot of the incident:



*Edit:

The last option should say liberal - could a mod edit that for me?

The driver should obviously be charged, but even as someone who 100% supports the protesters, I understand his impulse to just drive through them. But yeah, he should definitely be charged. He could have killed or seriously injured someone. I think anyone who says he shouldn't be charged is being super blinded by their rage at the protesters, but just because you don't like people and would like to see them run over, doesn't mean that it's actually LEGAL to run them over, LOL.
 
I just noticed that almost every reply to X Factor begins with me pointing out that he misrepresented my stance.
Which is why I stopped debating him over a year ago. My life is much better, LOL.
 
All the more reason for them to get off the road.


As wrong, if not more. It's one thing to have a heat-of-the-moment oopsie with a car, especially a guy with anger issues like this driver....it's quite another to experience systemic failure of logic by 1 remaining on the wrong side of the issue in the first place, and 2 endangering yourself to announce to the world that you're on the wrong side of the issue. These people have had time to calm down and come back to reality yet they persist. They're sick. They need to be treated.

Sure, always blame others.

And no, the protesters were not more wrong. They maybe have caused annoyance, not the same thing as causing possibly deadly injuries.
 
Should the driver be charged?
Not sure. Certainly looks like he/she ran into/over people, but at the same time I half wonder if the driver panicked - that...surge..into the crowd almost looked like someone went to hit the brakes and stomped the accelerator instead.
 
If anyone, including but not limited to, gang members, car jackers, rioters, looters and/or protestors impede my vehicle when I'm somewhere I'm legally operating my vehicle, surround it and try to keep me where I don't want to be, I'll do what's necessary to protect myself and whoever's with me and yes, I'd expect to face judgment and you can bet I would insist that it be done by a jury.

You must live one paranoid, sad life. No one is going to car jack you - take a deep breath buddy.
 
Which is why I stopped debating him over a year ago. My life is much better, LOL.

It's unbelievable. No spine. He doesn't take a stance. He just misrepresents everyone else and attacks them with things they either didn't say or that are off topic.

I'd rather debate with apdst or NavyPride - at least they stand for something.
 
The driver should obviously be charged, but even as someone who 100% supports the protesters, I understand his impulse to just drive through them. But yeah, he should definitely be charged. He could have killed or seriously injured someone. I think anyone who says he shouldn't be charged is being super blinded by their rage at the protesters, but just because you don't like people and would like to see them run over, doesn't mean that it's actually LEGAL to run them over, LOL.

Certainly. What blows my mind though, is even if X Factor was right, and it's the scariest world ever where every urban person wants to rape and kill you, there was a ****ing lane wide open on the left that every other driver seemed to have no problem finding!
 
Certainly. What blows my mind though, is even if X Factor was right, and it's the scariest world ever where every urban person wants to rape and kill you, there was a ****ing lane wide open on the left that every other driver seemed to have no problem finding!

So what? Driving through a crowd carefully is not against the law.
 
Sure, always blame others.

And no, the protesters were not more wrong. They maybe have caused annoyance, not the same thing as causing possibly deadly injuries.

Sure they were... the protestors were blocking traffic. Not only were they more wrong they were stupid ****ing morons.

Who goes out in the street and then complains when somebody is hit by a car? Idiots.
 
You must live one paranoid, sad life. No one is going to car jack you - take a deep breath buddy.

I absolutely have had a dude, fully tatted up including his head try to stop my car behind a Lowe's one night. It actually took me a couple attempts to drive around him before I was able. I'm sure you'll think it wrong of that I didn't stop for him or believe I committed attempted murder or some such offense, and yes, I admit to making some judgments based on his appearance and the fact that he seemed really aggressive, but I didn't.

That was just one dude. If you think occupants of a car cannot be threatened by a pedestrian you've lead a very sheltered life. I would be curious what crime you felt I committed in that situation. Attempted murder? Aggravated assault? Mayhem? Terrorism?
 
Which is why he is a maniac for choosing to plough through the protestors and place himself in that situation. He chose to do that rather than take the opportunity (which was available as evidenced in the video), to simply cross lanes and allow the person in authority to direct his vehicle around the protestors.

The protestors were blocking the intersection. There were quite a few other vehicles inconvenienced and halted by their actions - they were not being surrounded and threatened.

The guy in the vehicle is a lunatic. No ifs, buts or maybes.

The police need tranquilizer darts to shoot all those idiots. Open season. Arrest them all...
 
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